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Old 02-08-2010, 02:08 PM
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Steve's Horizontal Hinge Action Pitch
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I was having my morning coffee and thinking about Brian Gays chipping method (with no left wrist cock) while looking at this photo from the sports section.

Nice wedges and a still level left wrist. Absolutely no flippy whippy, rubber wristed hand syndrome despite the fact it looks like a high soft floater.

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And, with Horizontal Hinge Action (Clubface Closing Only / No Layback)! The giveaway is the toe of the Club pointing along the Line at the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

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Old 02-08-2010, 04:43 PM
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Does he get more spin & better bite when the lay back is eliminated Yoda?
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:02 PM
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Cut Shot Dynamics
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Does he get more spin & better bite when the lay back is eliminated Yoda?
Actually, the reverse is true. Vertical Hinging (Layback Only) produces Cut Shots and the spin/bite characteristics you mention.

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You know I'm only one of the distant TGM/LBG disciples....but with all do respect, Master...it looks to me as if the leading is pointing 45* out to the right, which actually indicates angled hinging. Or is it just the photo that cheats the eye. I know if you're saying he's swinging his chips with horizontal, you're certainly right....but this pic...hmm

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Old 02-09-2010, 01:09 PM
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I went to the dome yesterday and with this chipping method in mind tried to figure out how far I go in that manner. A lot further than I thought, was the answer. The strikes were solid and consistent while maintaining a level left wrist throughout, no left wrist cock. Sort of like a super long putting stroke although I didnt use my putting grip.

Which makes me wonder why it works so well? What is the answer guys?

-one or two accumulators only?
-Id been introducing some un required left wrist cock that complicated things. An unnecessary application of a velocity power for such a short stroke?
-the full lever (left arm and club) having been assembled and maintained throughout the entire stroke is super simple for low point management and ensures full lever impact?
-the right arm is on plane?

That level left wrist is something I keep learning and re learning for all strokes, long and short. It alone can fix a lot of ills for me. ( Yoda did tell me my hands were starting to get a little low and I was reverting back into my old address posture, without the on plane right arm etc. )

What is the source of its magic?
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:15 PM
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. . . with all do respect, Master...it looks to me as if the leading is pointing 45* out to the right, which actually indicates angled hinging. Or is it just the photo that cheats the eye.

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Thom,

There may be a camera angle issue for you. Let's look at the question (of Clubface alignment) another way:

Imagine that Steve raised the club just slightly so that the shaft is parallel to the ground. Then, would the toe of the club point straight up (leading edge vertical to the ground, i.e., the horizontal plane). Or, would it be at a slight angle, i.e., vertical to an angled plane? To my eye, the toe would point straight up, and that indicates Horizontal Hinging. You may see it differently.

At the very least, I think we can agree that the Face of the club would not point at the sky (which would indicate Vertical Hinging).

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Thom,

There may be a camera angle issue for you. Let's look at the question (of Clubface alignment) another way:

Imagine that Steve raised the club just slightly so that the shaft is parallel to the ground. Then, would the toe of the club point straight up (leading edge vertical to the ground, i.e., the horizontal plane). Or, would it be at a slight angle, i.e., vertical to an angled plane? To my eye, the toe would point straight up, and that indicates Horizontal Hinging. You may see it differently.

At the very least, I think we can agree that the Face of the club would not point at the sky (which would indicate Vertical Hinging).

YODA,

What do you think of my thoughts as far as Steve Stricker participating in some way in Mr. Kelley's work? Last night on his show, Michael Breed, who I know has a lot of TGM in his background, was talking about some of Steve's alignments. I got out my SmartStick to do some comparisons, and I'll be damned if those alignments didn't get me right on plane with the laser. Michael Breed did everything but say look, LOOK, LOOK!

Swinging is wonderful for a lot of folks, but the Magic Of The Right Forearm is going to be discovered by the masses, and it's going to be HUGE. I'm very happy I'm at LBG and already building on that foundation.

Thanks Lynn!

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Steve Stricker On His Own Golf Swing
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What do you think of my thoughts as far as Steve Stricker participating in some way in Mr. Kelley's work?
I talked with Steve last month at the Kapalua Golf Academy during the Golf Digest photo shoot. I was specifically interested in his concept of the golf swing and what he was doing to achieve it. In a nutshell, here's what he told me:

1. He is very "left-sided". The left hand and side senses and controls from start to finish.

2. He feels 'turn and roll' of the hands combined with lots of body rotation.

3. He has always "loaded late" -- little wristcock on the way back -- and feels he gets additional wristcock on the downswing. In fact, regarding the loading action, he said that he has "always done it incorrectly". To which I replied, "Uh, no, Steve. The money stats don't lie!"

There was zero mention of TGM, by either him or me.

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I talked with Steve last month at the Kapalua Golf Academy during the Golf Digest photo shoot. ...

There was zero mention of TGM, by either him or me.

Darn. Oh well, I'm wrong again...

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Darn. Oh well, I'm wrong again...

Kevin

Left to his own devices Steve Stricker has found an awesome way to get around the course though and one we can see as conforming to a lot of Homer's alignments. Too bad he thinks his loading is all wrong. Makes me wonder if he spent a lot of time trying to cock his left wrist earlier. Cock his left wrist with his hands or something. Im a late loader and I did, do sometimes, wont do again, as Yoda is my witness, I swear.

I see a Right arm on plane, extensor action, level left wrist, a repeating hinge action etc, etc. Snap Loading or float?

Even his dual vertical , straight back straight through putting would get Homer's nod of approval. While its Steering and a lob shot for longer shots, Homer thought that it was a fine procedure for putting..... interestingly, given that he is the father of the Arc of Approach. Of critical importance to Homer was the ability to replicate the putting Hinge Action, be it vertical or angled or horizontal even. Straight back , straight through with a square to the line face makes Hinge Action , Delivery line compliance easy to see and monitor , I guess, non planar though it is, in a clubshaft or sweetspot plane sense. With straight rails as a guide for the putter head its a sweetspot traveling in a straight line deal. The problem with it to my mind, or for me I should say, is the tendency to watch the clubhead as I putt and introduce corrective wobbles making the plane line three dimensional, "bending the plane line".

It is steering afterall, not something that will help you anywhere else unless you are trying hit a lob shot or cover the Angle of Approach or something totally crazy like that.......no offense to Ted Fort who's kitchen Im rattling around in here.......that man can steer 20' putts and 340 yard drives. But he also knows how to do it in a geometrically correct way .........which for the driver is not "Straight through towards the hole", thats for sure.

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