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Old 05-09-2010, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grantc79 View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.

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Hi innercityteacher,

I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.
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Thank you for the compliment.

For some reason float loading just makes sense to me. My entire body feels very relaxed up to the top and I know as soon as I get the club up there I can just let everything drop and turn like crazy.

What had me struggling horribly was sensing the #3 PP at the top and having it do what I wanted it to rather than what it wanted to (which was hit me in the back of the head).

With float loading I can make it stay, move under plane, or move over plane at will.



That said, I'm still not quite sure how to get that right shoulder more down plane.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:15 PM
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Another fun thing about this is with a normal drag load or drive load I'm not so noisy.

As soon as I started experimenting with the float loading and accepting that huge lag load onto #3 PP without dumping it got very, very noisy in my garage.

It literally sounds like war is being waged in my garage at impact.

It is a very, very loud crack. Told my wife who can actually hear it in the bedroom now over the TV and she's like "that is a good thing right?"



Just took another video of my swing with a line placed on my shoulder at address and I'm maybe getting one inch under that line at impact.

Any ideas as to how to get more I am all ears.
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:37 PM
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The Drills video-uncocking the left wrist.
Here is the video:



Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.

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Hi innercityteacher,

I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post
Here is the video:

Yoda is saying that some people make the mistake "in Thinking" that the purpose of Uncocking the Left Wrist is to make the club head move forward toward the target (a Forward Motion). Thinking this way invites trouble because it's a major cause of Bending the Left Wrist.

He further states that "Changing your perception of the Left Wrist Cocking and Uncocking Motion" is the first step in correcting the problem.

Yoda says that Cocking and Uncocking is a Vertical Motion; Up and down, like when you hammer a nail. If you tilt the Plane, as in the Golf Swing, the motion is still up and down (vertical). Changing the Plane Angle does not change the fact that Uncocking is a Vertical Motion.

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I think that you are saying, that you discovered, that an accentuated Hip Slide causes you to create a more Downward Swing motion and that it causes a more downward throw-out of the Clubhead when the Left Wrist Uncocks.

If you'll pardon the analogy, I think that you and Yoda are in the same "Chapter" but not on the same "Page.

You're mistaking his video as a "Directive" to find a way of creating a Downward Blow. That's the first Mistake. The second mistake is thinking that the Pivot controls the Hands.

It's a long and arduous journey. But, we've chosen the "Red Pill", and our only solution is greater understanding.

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Old 05-09-2010, 08:36 PM
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I think swing mechanics can be learned, practiced and execution improved more readily if you select component variations as compatible as possible.

Also, I think it helps if your Stroke Pattern can be applied to all lengths of stroke.

I wouldn't give up on trying to solve your OTT issues. Eventually, while solving them, you'll learn a lot about your swing.

But, for a Swinger using the Rope Handle Procedure, OTT should never be an issue. With the Clubshaft in your hands, the #2 and #3 Pressure Points combined, gives you awareness of the Plane Angle of the Clubshaft and where it's pointing on the Baseline of the Inclined Plane or Target Line or Delivery Line. So, it's vital, that after loading the Pressure Points that those Pressure never change during the Downstroke, especially the #3 PP.

The #3 Pressure Point has ONLY enough Pressure to allow you to sense the Clubshaft angle and direction. DO NOT Load the #3 Pressure Point any more than that (Until you're an expert - trust me). Then, Thrust is always along that Angle and direction. You are trying to pull the shaft lengthwise. ANY additional Pressure on the #3 Pressure Point WILL CAUSE Clubhead Throwaway. Additionally, you will come Over-The-Top because you can't control your Pivot.

BUT, and this is the most important part. If you use the Rope Handle Procedure precisely as I'm describing, You will always and Automatically trace the Plane Line and your hands will control the Pivot and you will never come-over-the-Top again.

By Learning and Adopting the Rope Handle Procedure (AKA longitudinal acceleration - Drag Loading) your hands will trace the Plane Line with Circle Path or to the Aiming Point with a Straight Line Delivery Path. You'll discover, that by doing so, your Pivot will respond to your attempts, and move and help automatically. You'll have no choice but to do almost everything correctly. You should use 10-2-B.

All that you need to remember, is to pull down (preferably the Power Package does the Pulling) as though you were ringing a bell with a rope handle, don't load the #3 and don't allow any changes in PP Pressure during the Downstroke.



Float Loading is dangerous for a Swinger. The Clubshaft "Bangs" against the #3 Pressure Point but your hands are far enough along so if your hands are fast enough, you can sustain that pressure through Impact. It's more appropriate for a Hitter, though I've seen many Swingers using it.
Daryl, thanks for the very informative post! It is very cool to work through the lengthy details in constructing a more effective motion. I know we are in a swinger's room so I'll stick to that overall concept with this question.

While swinging, a forward lateral hip slide seems to "invite" the vertical hinge to slide down-plane. I've watched Yoda's movie about the vertical hinge and throwing it down at the ball. I did it yesterday, I think, planting and firing the vertical hinge down-plane. My angle hinges came up short and right , but my horizontal hinges stayed on-target a long time. One 5 wood went in from 180 yards for a birdie. Three other shots went running over the green winding up almost directly behind the flag in the fringe. (Being pin-high is fun, as is being on target.) (I should've putted those balls out of the thick rough but, "Noooooo," I had to try the perfect chip adding 8 extra strokes to my score!)

So, is that what is meant by "throwing the vertical hinge down?" Can a person supercharge a swing by planting and throwing that vertical hinge down-plane, or snapping the VH down? The short and right result would be bad ball placement or funky impact positions?
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