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Old 05-12-2010, 11:51 PM
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I've always struggled with uncocking my left wrist too early, and the more I try to hold that power accumulator 2 angle the tighter my left arm becomes. Any suggestions?
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First of all . . . . probably want to get away from "holding" on to #2 . . . the model for #2 laggy look was Hogan and I can PROMISE you he wasn't holding on to nothing . . .

You want to create your accumulator lag and lag pressure DYNAMICALLY with THRUST from the ground up. But from the word "thrust" you could infer FAST QUICK HARD . . . probably not the best thoughts. You want to use the ground FOR A LONG TIME.

What does your pivot look like? Do you move around? Hang back?

A couple things you could work on . . .

1. Hit a lot of hard punch/chip type shots.
2. Feel like your arms/hands are leaving the clubhead behind on your takeaway so much so that it actually bends your left wrist more . . . then drag everything down with your pivot by really using the ground via your thighs and hips . . . feel like you are dragging your shoulders too.
3. Get you a piece of 1/4 inch plexey glass (sp?) a small piece will do set it about 4 or 5 inches behind your ball . . . hit shots . . . chips and pitches first . . . build up to full swings.

Here are a couple to check out . . .

Note in the first one how he's dragging the club back ... looks like the weight of the club and his arms are actually "cupping" or bending his left wrist . . . . in the first one you may be able to say "he's holding on" . . . ain't happening . . . look at the second one at full speed . . . that freakin' club is WHIPPING . . . those accumulators are getting FIRED . . . maybe automatically but . . . they are getting slung out . . . thrown out . . . whipped out . . .



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Old 05-13-2010, 04:43 PM
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Thanks for the feed back.This 1/4 inch piece of plexy glass. How do you put it behind the ball and what is its purpose? Someone asked about my pivot and I have a tendency to move my hips forward toward the ball on my downswing and it feels like my right hip has taken up the space where my hands should be. I never feel like my hands are close to my thighs on the downswing. I feel like they have moved out to the target line.
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Old 05-13-2010, 05:23 PM
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Thanks for the feed back.This 1/4 inch piece of plexy glass. How do you put it behind the ball and what is its purpose? Someone asked about my pivot and I have a tendency to move my hips forward toward the ball on my downswing and it feels like my right hip has taken up the space where my hands should be. I never feel like my hands are close to my thighs on the downswing. I feel like they have moved out to the target line.
Goat humping . . . what happens likely is your hands get out away from you and the shaft "lays down" your plane get shifted out to the right . . . . hands out and club in . . . so from there you have disrupted your radius and to get to the ball YOU HAVE TO UNCOCK . . . Is your shaft at impact raised up/more vertical than it was at address? By shifting everything that far "out" . . . you're moving low point well back of what you intend at address. All you got left is #2 (uncocking) to get to the ball . . . because you have disrupted your radius via your pivot. Your arms are going to "try to get in line" with the "center of rotation" . . . so if your spine gets vertical . . your arms raise up and and hands get out away from you . . . gotta get to the ball somehow so you throw your wrist at it.

Your butt is "comming off the wall" . . . you need to feel your sliding forward AND going BACKWARD and probably will need to feel your head and chest "compressing" down toward the ball.
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Old 05-13-2010, 05:56 PM
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Yes my spine becomes more vertical and my shaft is more upright at impact and my hands are much higher. I have a tough time hitting the ball first. I used to try to practice the drill where you imagine your hands are under a shelf at address and come back under the shelf at impact. Good thing I was using some foam rubber. I usually feel like I have to lift my left shoulder up to my ear to make room for the club shaft at impact.
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:27 PM
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Yes my spine becomes more vertical and my shaft is more upright at impact and my hands are much higher. I have a tough time hitting the ball first. I used to try to practice the drill where you imagine your hands are under a shelf at address and come back under the shelf at impact. Good thing I was using some foam rubber. I usually feel like I have to lift my left shoulder up to my ear to make room for the club shaft at impact.
You gotta work on this . . . . I battled/battle the same thing. You do that move and you can hit the freakin' ball anywhere.

The reason I told you to get that 1/4 inch thick piece of plexey glass is so you can MAKE yourself hit the ball first. You can set it 6 inches back of the ball whatever at first. If you dump #2 early you'll crash the glass. . . won't screw your club up but it'll make you hit the ball first and keep your alignments.

Do you have a video camera? You need to really monitor your pivot. If you can get a microphone stand and a dowel and a pool noodle you can set that deal up so it rests on your head. You gotta figure out how to pivot with your head staying on the wall and your booty sliding on the wall behind you.

You can have the best wedge/power package alignments in the world but that goat hump is gonna disrupt everything . . . gets your plane line shifted and increases the rate your clubface closes . . . .disrupts low point as well.

FEELS . . .
  • left shoulder down much longer as you come thru . .
  • feel like your ass goes way back and your chest comes way down during your transition
  • imagine or actually drill with a wall behind you . . . when you start down turn AND SLIDE your left butt check to the wall and forward of where it was at address.

You'll have to really exaggerate your practice swings . . . make sure you video to monitor it if you can . . . do a lot of slow motion drilling too. You fix this and you'll be amazed how much better your swing will plane and how much easier it will be to keep your wedges and hit the ball first. Go get 'em . . .
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:36 PM
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"plexiglass" is correct. And this is very interesting, thanks to all.
You want to use the ground FOR A LONG TIME.

Is this why rolling the ankles and feet is better ala Jack/Hogan? It seems like that sort of action creates a "longer" chain of events that just forces the clubhead down-plane.

How does the hitter approximate this effect of unrelenting ground use? If I need to do this question elsewhere, no problem.




Here are a couple to check out . . .




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Pie Jesu? I would have thought something more Brahmsish with thicker chord Structure would have fit the bill.
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post
You want to use the ground FOR A LONG TIME.

Is this why rolling the ankles and feet is better ala Jack/Hogan? It seems like that sort of action creates a "longer" chain of events that just forces the clubhead down-plane.

How does the hitter approximate this effect of unrelenting ground use? If I need to do this question elsewhere, no problem.




Here are a couple to check out . . .




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In those swings look at Hogans shins, ankles and hips . . . backswing/transition kinda like a "hockey stop" weight right but leaning left . . . his WHOLE BEING is gripping the ground . . .

Have a look at this . . .






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I am a skier instructor in Utah and when I looked at the Hogan video that is what his right leg and hip looked like to me. A skier angulating in a turn. I went out and hit some chip shots with that feeling and trying that pivot you guys were talking about and it was the first time I could actually hit the ball and then brush the turf. I also found a good video that gave me good insight to the pivot.
. Don't know how to make it a link but it was at golfresearch.com.
Thanks again
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The skiing comparison seems relevant. Quite similar weight shift and also similarities with foot work vs upper body work.

Not only with the back foot but also with front foot from impact to end.
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