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Old 05-13-2010, 10:29 AM
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I just checked another hogan video. It looks like any signs of plane shifting is completed during the transition. It's an incredibly pure motion. Pure and fast.
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Everybody shifts . . . .
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12 pc: "Everybody shifts"

Daryl: "Everybody who shift has pivot controlled hands. Pivot controlled hands leads to flip release"

Ergo: Everybody flip releases.

I apologize if I have misrepresented your position Daryl. I know there must be a breach in this line of reasoning. But where is it?
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
12 pc: "Everybody shifts"

Daryl: "Everybody who shift has pivot controlled hands. Pivot controlled hands leads to flip release"

Ergo: Everybody flip releases.

I apologize if I have misrepresented your position Daryl. I know there must be a breach in this line of reasoning. But where is it?
Nope . . . . everybody shifts . . . .
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
12 pc: "Everybody shifts"

Daryl: "Everybody who shift has pivot controlled hands. Pivot controlled hands leads to flip release"

Ergo: Everybody flip releases.

I apologize if I have misrepresented your position Daryl. I know there must be a breach in this line of reasoning. But where is it?
I have been misrepresented.

I don't Shift during the Downstroke. I also said that there are exceptions to the Flip Release by Plane Shifters. I named Hogan, Nelson and Sergio Garcia as the exceptions. The reason for their exception is because their Clubshafts are already aligned to the Impact Shaft Angle before they reach the Transition from their Startdown Plane to the Elbow Plane. Thus, they can choose any Release Type that their Release Point can accommodate.

Additionally, a Plane Shifting Player can adjust his Stance, Target and Plane lines to adjust the Release Point and not be forced to "Flip" Release.

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Old 05-13-2010, 02:01 PM
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Everybody shifts.

Hands to pivot Employs of an RFT. RFT via right elbow bending raises the Hands to a higher Plane Angle.

The Shaft Plane is too flat to get to Top on. Assuming a Shaft or Sweetspot Plane theory.
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Everybody shifts.

Hands to pivot Employs of an RFT. RFT via right elbow bending raises the Hands to a higher Plane Angle.

The Shaft Plane is too flat to get to Top on. Assuming a Shaft or Sweetspot Plane theory.
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Gentlemen,

I'm trying to keep my thread jacking below the acceptance level.

Therefore I've started a new thread about plane shifting, hands vs pivot, release etc. I want to get to the bottom of this and will appreciate if you help me.
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Everybody shifts.

Hands to pivot Employs of an RFT. RFT via right elbow bending raises the Hands to a higher Plane Angle.

The Shaft Plane is too flat to get to Top on. Assuming a Shaft or Sweetspot Plane theory.
OK I said this earlier today but I need to qualify it.... This assumes a flatly soled clubhead, which Homer didnt mind disregarding if the ball Separated prior to the club making contact with the ground.

You can achieve Homer's shiftless swing by pointing the shaft at Address along the TSP. Meaning the heal of the club is off the ground at Address and Impact. A shiftless swing along the TSP.

See 10-6-B for a full description. Those are a pretty high set of hands, eh?


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Old 05-13-2010, 10:27 PM
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My Irons are perfectly Soled when the Clubshaft is on an angle half-way between the Turned Shoulder Plane and the Elbow Plane. I use Hogan, Apex Irons with 1/2" longer Rifle Shafts.

The TSP is only a referenced Plane angle. No problem for a Hands controlled Pivot Swing to drop that a couple of Inches.
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