Active pivot versus reactive pivot
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05-21-2010, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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This thread was picked up from last year by Bartly in his Post #65, asking about Hip Action.
"Bartly" seems pretty satisfied with Buckets answer in Post #67. Then, Edz got Bucket drinking whiskey again with his Post #68 and we moved a tad-bit away from the original question. But, the subject remained TGM related so I guess Bucket didn't stray too far.
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Actually the thread got started by that Jeff dude that got run off . . . but noticed that there's a jeffm lurking around . . . not posting . . . what's up jeff! how you livin' man??!!??
But I'd like to revoke my response in post #67 and advise my man "bartly" to employ a right arm swinging procedure . . . and buy some waders and a ball retriever.
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05-21-2010, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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Are you crazy man! There are certain people LURKING . . .
Dangerous . . . . build a secret bunker . . . enter the witness protection program . . . hide the wife, kids, dawg, cat, livestock, tighty whiteez, cheetoz and peanut butter . . . by all means . . . protect yourself and take this down for your own safety.
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Daryl,
I'm firing up the Jet for Minnesota - get ready - need to be on top alert - could be a tough one to take down!
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05-21-2010, 06:22 PM
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Try and sneak up on him while he's in the shower, that when he's most vulnerable. There was a failed take down a couple of weeks back. Advise extreme caution.
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05-21-2010, 09:15 PM
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Careful, careful, careful. Never sneak up on a wounded, but healing bear.
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05-21-2010, 09:18 PM
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Kev, do you have the key for the airport lights? It sounds like our idyllic lifestyle on the tundra may be invaded by well-meaning TGMers.
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05-21-2010, 10:02 PM
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Sadlowski
Anytime I see Bucket in a thread, I have to read it. But, I have to comment on the Sadlowski photos.
When he won the Remax, he missed the grid with all 6 shots and found himself in the loser’s bracket. In that bracket, he missed the grid with his first 5 shots and landed the sixth in the grid to advance. He continued the hard way, from the loser’s bracket, and ended up winning.
We have to separate golf from long drive. I've had students successful in both, and the goals are different.
I'd play anyone that needed 11 mulligans.
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05-21-2010, 11:15 PM
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i SNAPPED THE TOWEL TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER!
I was lollygagging down the plane, grooving on the natural Tomasello back shoulder down and thrust. I switched to a swing and the motion was powerful and quick.
For yucks, I tried a quicker back shoulder drop and fire! I gained about 15 yards in the air. Towel-snap!
I hope mr. Tomasello is enjoying a nice lemonade/Iced tea mix in heaven. He made my day. I also turned on one of the younger pros at our driving range to the site. He's in HS and has played some serious amateur tournaments. He was raving bout the great videos and I told him to check out Tomasello after buying the Alignment Golf DVDs!
Play well tomorrow, folks. Kevin, how's the left arm swing?
Pat
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I would never be critical of a teacher as respected as Mr. Doyle. Obviously, Mr. Doyle knows G.O.L.F. and has helped MANY people learn to play, and play great, but to me, the pictures below are what the G.O.L.F. Machine looks like.
Some call us those "Damn Tripoders." Oh well, we can't save everybody...
Kevin
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05-22-2010, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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Anytime I see Bucket in a thread, I have to read it. But, I have to comment on the Sadlowski photos.
When he won the Remax, he missed the grid with all 6 shots and found himself in the loser’s bracket. In that bracket, he missed the grid with his first 5 shots and landed the sixth in the grid to advance. He continued the hard way, from the loser’s bracket, and ended up winning.
We have to separate golf from long drive. I've had students successful in both, and the goals are different.
I'd play anyone that needed 11 mulligans.
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Exactly 50-50 to hit THE RANGE . . . if he's the model for a snap release . . . better snap outta that . . .
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05-22-2010, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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That pattern skatters more vectors than the hair lipped "chef" skatters hashbrowns at the Waffle Casa . . .
I'll give him credit for keeping his right wrist bent . . . . and . . . not falling down. He's about 25% on 1-L 1-21.
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I reviewed the first 20 Chapters of Ben Doyles G.O.L.F. Tape last night and I didn't see a single instance of Right Arm Swinging. In Fact, it would seem that his Standard Pattern is a Double Plane Shift Elbow Plane Swing with a Random Sweep Release. A mighty fine one at that. However, I also saw a few perfectly executed Single Shift Turned Shoulder Plane Swings with Snap Releases. When demonstrating a Punch Elbow Major Stroke, he stopped short of Hitting the Ball. I guess that's a line he won't cross (no pun intended).  TGM Humor.
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05-22-2010, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartly
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Several times I have heard Doyle state or pull on your left hip as you come into your aiming point, left hip socket extension. Can you please explain the purpose of this. I have a feeling its about releasing the club after the hands pass the ball.
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In his instruction video, Ben Doyle states that he uses "Hip Action Uncocks the Left Wrist and Hip Action Straightens the Right Arm", chapter 20. "Hip Action for Centrifugal Acceleration (increases Mass)", chapter 21.
Unfortunately, when he Talks about COAM, he misses the point. He talks about "Sustaining" COAM, where-as HK claims that the Throwout of the Secondary Lever replaces the Acceleration that COAM is taking away.
Last edited by Daryl : 05-22-2010 at 09:40 AM.
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