Contradicting information and hitting questions

[grantc79]

According to the book a slide is what is recommended.

Basically slide the hips going backwards and then slide them back going forwards. This is per 12-1-0 basic hitters pattern.

I am struggling with my shoulders and I believe it is due to conflicting styles of hip action in my swing.

I have a sliding hip take away but then more of a standard hip move in the down swing.

I believe this leads to the right shoulder being slightly above plane due to the shoulders moving a bit more vertically rather than horizontally in the back swing and due to a lack of definitive slide the shoulder never really gets back under plane coming back to the ball.

The shoulder simply remains slightly above plane the entire down swing which I believe to be a bad thing.



Am I on the right track here?

Should I be focusing more on a Hip Slide rather than the Standard Hip Turn?

Is the right shoulder being slightly above plane at top a bad thing or is it OK as long as I bring it back down to plane VIA hip slide to trigger the down swing?

[Daryl]

The following Pattern is a Goal. I think that Line 14 was changed to "Slide" in the 7th Edition for Hitters and Swingers (lies, lies, lies). Maybe someone with a 7th Edition could look that up? I wouldn't do a Slide if you paid me.

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Do what he does. I could swear it's a swing.

12-1-0 DRIVE LOADING BASIC PATTERN (HITTING)

This Pattern is based on Chapter 10-19-A in the Component Catalog and is most useful to the stronger players. Avoid “customizing” it with other Variations until it approaches the “expert” stage. Then follow 3-B.

[O.B.Left]

Mr Hip Action:

I thought you were Slide with a Delayed Turn, no? Would have sworn to it. Axis Tilt , Arc and then Straight Line.

[Daryl]

The Center 2 Pics are a Slide. I don't do that. I don't do anything close to that. However, I am known to wear a skirt from time to time.

Look at that Bent Left Wrist. I can feel her shifting down to the Elbow Plane, Ugh..........

[Yoda]

The Center 2 Pics are a Slide. I don't do that. I don't do anything close to that. Ugh..........

Homer's original definition of the Slide Hip Turn is depicted in the photos. Namely, "Slide with no appreciable Turn". In fact, this definition remains encapsulated in both the photos and the Chapter 11 summary of the 14th Component:

Turn -- Zero

Shift -- Free

In both directions.

So what gives?

Beginning with the 5th edition, Homer changed the definition to read:

"Slide with delayed Turn". [Italics mine.]

Until the 7th edition (published posthumously 23 years after Homer's death), all this lay under the radar. Then, the Slide Hip Turn Variation (10-14-B) became the listed Variation in both the Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0). During Homer's lifetime and through six editions, the Variation had always been the Standard Hip Turn (10-14-A), i.e., a free Turn with a Weight Shift in both directions.

Now, players referring to the Stroke Patterns and aspiring to Golfing Perfection are left with a horrific photographic impression of the listed Variation. An impression only confirmed when referenced against the summary characteristics of Chapter 11.

All of which is a shame.

Truly, a shame.

[Daryl]

To me anyway, the "Shiftless" Hip Turn is like Turning in a Barrel and is good for short shots for a swinger. The "Slide" may be good for a Hitter for short Shots.

The Standard Hip Turn with a Weight Shift has, to me anyway, always included a Slide. The Slide creates the Secondary Axis Tilt. Slide to create only enough Tilt.

Slide, then Turn.