rolling starts where

[Daryl]

"Keeping them separate is especially important for Swingers to Hinge through Impact and not Swivel through Impact".


Thank you for the answer Daryl but I am having trouble with the statement above. I am having trouble telling the difference between hinge and swivel.
I thought swivel takes place after the follow through? How can I swivel through impact if it doesn't start until after the follow through? As you can see I am a little confused. The problem I have is with HINGE and where it takes place.

Jerry,

You are referring to the "Finish Swivel". Both Hitters and Swingers "Finish Swivel". There is also a Start-up Swivel and Pre-Impact Swivel for Swingers only.

The Swivel is a completely different Concept than Hinging.

SWIVEL:

After start-up, when the club shaft is parallel to the ground and parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane, take a look at your club face. If the Clubface is vertical to the ground, then you have not swiveled. If it's almost laying On-Plane, then you have Swiveled. It's a "Hand Motion".

The three Basic Wrist Motions can be classified as:
4-A. Horizontal Bend and Arch (Clubshaft) Grip Motion
4-B. Perpendicular Cock and Uncock (Clubhead) Wrist Motion
4-C. Rotational Turn and Roll (Clubface) Hand Motion

Hinging is the motion alignment of the Clubface through Impact. Horizontal, Angled or Vertical.

2-G HINGE MOTION Direction Control (2-D) means Clubface alignment control. The Clubface can make three motions through Impact – Hood, Close, and Lay-Back. “Hooding the Clubface” normally, can only reduce the Clubface Angle so only the Putter can actually be Hooded to any advantage (2-B, 2-C-4). Of the two remaining, we can use one or the other or both. That is “Closing” without “Lay-back.” (10-10-D) “Lay-back” without “Closing” (10-10-E) and simultaneous “Closing” and “Lay-back” (10-10-C).

Your Clubface should be Vertical to the ground when entering the HINGE interval of Impact. So,,,you need to Swivel before Impact, then Hinge through Impact. Then, after follow-through, you will swivel again for the finish.

Videos of Yoda demonstrating the "Finish Swivel" has you focus on the Finish Swivel. If you Focus on the Finish Swivel (and preparing to finish swivel) then most everything else will fall into place.

I substitute "Grip Motion" for "Hand motion" swivel because it's easier for me.

So, Swiveling is the Clubface Alignment to the Inclined Plane and is a Hand Motion. The Clubface is Rotated to lie on the Plane going Back, square (Perpendicular, vertical) for Impact, and once again rotated to lie on Plane after the Follow-through ... "Finish swivel". Hinging is the Motion Alignment through the Impact Interval.

[jerry1967]

So,,,you need to Swivel before Impact, then Hinge through Impact. Then, after follow-through, you will swivel again for the finish.


Thanks Daryl.

So I can try and keep the sequence right for my mind it should be (1)unco*k--(2)pre impact swivel--(3)hinge action through impact. Is this right?

All this should be automatic with a swinger, right?

The swivel starts about at my right thigh or should it be later or sooner ?

[Daryl]

Jerry,

Minnesota will be an eye-opener.

[jerry1967]

Jerry,

Minnesota will be an eye-opener.

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[JerryG]

Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

[KevCarter]

Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

My hinges are very squeaky. Is that bad?

Kevin

[Daryl]

Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

Oh boy. Different Jerry. Sorry about that.

KevCarter should have put on a "Clinic". I bet that Mini-sota has perfect weather this time of year.

[DOCW3]

<<The three Basic Wrist Motions can be classified as:
4-A. Horizontal Bend and Arch (Clubshaft) Grip Motion
4-B. Perpendicular Cock and Uncock (Clubhead) Wrist Motion
4-C. Rotational Turn and Roll (Clubface) Hand Motion>>

What do we learn from the "Grip Motion, Wrist Motion and Hand Motion" additions? Or, what is lost with their elimination?

[innercityteacher]

So,,,you need to Swivel before Impact, then Hinge through Impact. Then, after follow-through, you will swivel again for the finish.


Thanks Daryl.

So I can try and keep the sequence right for my mind it should be (1)unco*k--(2)pre impact swivel--(3)hinge action through impact. Is this right?

All this should be automatic with a swinger, right?

The swivel starts about at my right thigh or should it be later or sooner ?

In my current "quiet swing," I lean left and (quietly ) bend my right wrist back and my elbow and then I (quietly) throw my Primary Lever down and watch the wrist uncock and the blade start to open before impact which is fine for precision. Am I steering? Oh, I get it, the Pre-Impact Swivel (PIS) carries whichever hinge is selected to impact. It is the momentum of the PIS that makes the Finishing Swivel (FS) happen.

I need an Oreo and a bathroom break! No, wait, I need a Minnesoota smorgasboard break!!!!

Daryl, you and OB would be welcome up North!

Pat