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Old 09-21-2010, 11:50 PM
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Flying wedges:

The left wrist is flat at all times (geometrically flat - you can use a strong grip) The left wrist is only allowed to cock and uncock. When you hold the club out in front of you it is a strictly vertical up and down motion in the wrist. That's all you should allow your left wrist to do before both arms stright towards the finish.

The right wrist is frozen*, bent and level until both arms straight. When you take the club back you shall enable the left wrist cock by bending the right elbow. You can get the left wrist fully cocked and uncocked while maintaining a frozen right wrist. The frozen right wrist will help you keep the rhythm.

The flying wedges takes away a lot of motional freedom that can only ruin a good golf stroke.

There are two planes involved here. The plane of the left flying wedge - the angle between the left arm and the club. That plane is close to vertical at address, but it rotates into the swing plane as you progress on your back swing and rotates back to vertical towards impact.

The other plane is the plane of the right flying wedge. Ideally* it is 90 degree to the left flying wedge and in the swing plane at address and impact. Which meeans thay your right forearm is on the inclined plane (the swing plane) and should look as an extension of the clubshaft at address from down the line.

*I am one of those who don't do this 100% from address because I can't seem to produce a good swing that way. I need to have the hands somewhat lower. I need some slack at address because I impact the ball with more shoulder turn than I can produce at address. Nevertheless my right forearm is on plane at impact. So instead of a frozen left wrist I use a "quiet" left wrist. It is somewhere between cocked and level at address, but it finds its level position half way up in the back swing and stays there until the ball is gone.

Yoda and O.B. Left has a no compromize attitude towards the frozen right wrist and for good reasons. If you can make it work for you, you will get a simpler stroke. But if you need lower hands at address to save your swing dynamics it may be comforting to know that about 95% of the best golfers on the planet seems to do the same. The lighter version of the wedges means that you should still only allow your left wrist to cock and uncock, that there should be very little cocking and uncocking (close to nil) in the right wrist and that there should be no straigtening of the left wrist before impact. You can increase the left wrist bend in the back stroke, but only if you can keep it until past impact.

Whether you go for the hard core, "frozen" right wrist version or the lighter "quiet" right wrist version it should help you develop a better rhythm in the stroke. The flying wedges will impose a lot of restrictions on the rest of the golf stroke, and that is probably the best part of it: They will prevent you from doing a lot of wrongs.
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:42 AM
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I'm a beginner in the TGM game so take that with a grain of salt but what striked me with the flying wedges concept is how much this defines the plane and make a solid resilient structure. The right arm flying wedge provides a strong support for the left arm flying wedge, similar to the waiter-holding-a-tray image but not only at top, during most of the backswing and downswing. It also seems to support the shaft during the impact interval (optimize club head speed at separation?) and since the right forearm is on-plane, it supports a forward, downward and outward impact. I imagine the right forearm as a support rod for the inclined plane, maybe even defining the plane, and freeing the left side to do its business.. and only that.

If we had to keep the club on plane using only the left arm, it may build tension in the left forearm and might prevent a good release of acc #3. This is just an hypothesis.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:13 AM
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I'm a beginner in the TGM game so take that with a grain of salt but what striked me with the flying wedges concept is how much this defines the plane and make a solid resilient structure. The right arm flying wedge provides a strong support for the left arm flying wedge, similar to the waiter-holding-a-tray image but not only at top, during most of the backswing and downswing. It also seems to support the shaft during the impact interval (optimize club head speed at separation?) and since the right forearm is on-plane, it supports a forward, downward and outward impact. I imagine the right forearm as a support rod for the inclined plane, maybe even defining the plane, and freeing the left side to do its business.. and only that.

If we had to keep the club on plane using only the left arm, it may build tension in the left forearm and might prevent a good release of acc #3. This is just an hypothesis.
You are probably on to something here - keep it up for your own sake - for the time being I'm uncapable of getting this into my head.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:20 AM
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BTW - what is a wedge - what is its purpose? Is it related to a Sand - or Pitching Wedge?
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Old 09-22-2010, 09:47 AM
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En wedge er en kile. Det refererer til vinkelen mellom venstre eller høyre underarm og skaftet.

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Old 09-22-2010, 12:14 PM
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Jo, men hva brukes den til? Det blir omtrent det samme som en trekant, men det er ikke en fast størrelse, er det vel? Driver den ikke og forandrer fasong ettersom hvor armene befinner seg - f.eks. i nedsvingen hvor høyrearmen rettes (nesten helt) ut - hvilken nytte og verdi har en slik kile annet enn et bilde eller anskueliggjøring av et eller annet. Jeg er sannsynligvis utrolig treig som ikke begriper dette, men jeg jobber med saken med alle mine gode medhjelpere - hvorav du er en av dem. Takk for det.
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Old 09-22-2010, 01:13 PM
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Det er ikke så viktig at det kalles for kiler. Poenget er å eliminere en del håndleddsbevegelser som er ødeleggende for golfsvingen. Det går an å gjøre utrolig mye rart med håndleddene i baksvingen og nedsvingen. Og mange gjør det. Ting som bør unngås.

Hvis du låser alle bevegeligheter som ikke er i henhold til the flying wedges tar du vekk en hel masse muligheter til å gjøre feil.

Den eneste bevegelsen du skal ha i de to håndleddene er venstre hånd som du kan knekke og rette ut. Men håndleddet skal være flatt hele tiden. Akkumulator #2.

Du kan prøve å holde høyre hånd frossen fra en "impact" addresseposision og så ta hele baksvingen uten å bevege høyre håndledd. Det krever en helt spesiell koordinering og synkronisering mellom hender, armer og skuldre. Det kan føles som det er umulig de første gangene du prøver. I nedsvingen får du drahjelp av sentrifugalkraften så det er litt enklere der hvis du har lært deg å gjøre nedsvingen med skikkelig tyngdeoverføring, hofte og skulderrotasjon, og ikke bare hiver armer og golfkølle mot ballen...

Dette er ikke trivielt, men går rett på kjernen av TGM. Når du får til dette så er du på rett vei.

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You are probably on to something here - keep it up for your own sake - for the time being I'm uncapable of getting this into my head.
Let's try a simpler image: picture a table with a single central leg. Your left arm and the shaft move on the table (that's the left arm flying wedge) and the left wrist cocks and uncocks so that the shaft stay there. I take zero effort to maintain the left arm flying wedge on the table. The right forearm is the leg.

Now in the golf swing the tabletop is not horizontal but inclined, and in fact there is no real tabletop but the right forearm can be used so that the left flying wedge moves as if there were a tabletop, staying on plane with no tension.

That's a simplified image of how I picture the role of the flying wedges, please correct me if that's wrong or misleading.
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:07 PM
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Let's try a simpler image: picture a table with a single central leg. Your left arm and the shaft move on the table (that's the left arm flying wedge) and the left wrist cocks and uncocks so that the shaft stay there. I take zero effort to maintain the left arm flying wedge on the table. The right forearm is the leg.

Now in the golf swing the tabletop is not horizontal but inclined, and in fact there is no real tabletop but the right forearm can be used so that the left flying wedge moves as if there were a tabletop, staying on plane with no tension.

That's a simplified image of how I picture the role of the flying wedges, please correct me if that's wrong or misleading.
The last sentence about correcting you - that is meant for somebody else, I quess and not me who's completely daft in this matter. I didn't understand your last image either.

I guess TGM and its users want me to see the two arms & hands holding the golf club as some sort of unit ( or 2) and that the backswing and downswing is supposed to be done in such a manner that this unit operates on plane in an effective geometrical manner (or something like that).

I just don't see this geometrical wedge in my head in a meaningfull way, but I know how the wrists are supposed to work and how the impact "position" ( the moment of truth ) should be and I am willing to leave it like that without seeing geometrical figures in my head without understanding their purpose. If I had understood it, it would make me happy - now it only makes me unhappy.

I quess this has a lot to do with angles? But I watched a video on youtube where a guy said - forget the angles - more important is PRESSURE (thru the ball I quess).

Therefore hopefully my body parts are doing it correctly (right wrist bent, left wrist flat and level) and that must be the important thing, not what the remaining body part - my brain inside my head - is understanding about what is going on geometrically spoken. I'm not sure I even understand what I'm saying (does anybody else?) Maybe I am more "positional" in my head than "alignment-oriented"? (Or just empty) A curse?
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Old 09-23-2010, 07:07 AM
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Isn't this good enough
and takes care of any flying wedges issues:

The Left Wrist is always Flat and the Bent Right Wrist is always Level.
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