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Old 09-27-2010, 09:08 AM
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Complicated.

I thought there were only 3 hinge motions and therefore 3 ways to move the forearms. But can the rolling of the forearms happen in other ways too (as the 4th source of getting greater clubhead speed as shown in Ted Fort's video)? How does the left forearm roll (as shown in the video) without a horisontal hinging? (Does a hitter even have horisontal hinging?)
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:16 AM
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http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...6397#post76397

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Old 09-27-2010, 09:25 AM
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All your answers are found in:

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Now I know where it is.
The only thing left is to understand what this means. I haven't a clue.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:38 AM
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Now I know where it is.
The only thing left is to understand what this means. I haven't a clue.
I have worked my A** off here for about 3 years trying to absorb everything, and I am very glad I have. However, YODA is correct, you need to get face to face with someone who really knows TGM. I learned more in my one day with YODA than I have the 3 years combined. I wish I could help you the way he helped me, but I still have far too much to learn to do you any good.

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All your contributions are helpful - especially when you explain in your own words what Homer Kelley has written in his great/difficult book.
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I still don't understand how it is possible to roll the left forearm to get additional force/speed (as the 4th source as shown in the video) without it being a hinging motion. When the left arm rolls - why isn't that a horisontal hinging? Is it a movement of the left forearm that is identical to a horisontal (or angled?) hinging, but is called something else? The left arms doesn't move and not move at the same time? And if it moves - how can one roll the left forearm in different ways - it turns to the left doesn't it? How does this work with a angled hinging - how does the left forearm turn in this case? Who is bright enough to explain this in an understandable way?
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I still don't understand how it is possible to roll the left forearm to get additional force/speed (as the 4th source as shown in the video) without it being a hinging motion. When the left arm rolls - why isn't that a horisontal hinging? Is it a movement of the left forearm that is identical to a horisontal (or angled?) hinging, but is called something else? The left arms doesn't move and not move at the same time? And if it moves - how can one roll the left forearm in different ways - it turns to the left doesn't it? How does this work with a angled hinging - how does the left forearm turn in this case? Who is bright enough to explain this in an understandable way?
I will try.
Re-number the power sources to the accumulator they represent.
1 & 2 to 1 & 4 and 3 & 4 to 2 & 3. So, power source #4 is accumulator # 3.
think of the hinges being at the left shoulder (primary lever assembly movement) and accumulators 2 and 3 at the wrist/hands, (secondary lever assembly- the flail- endless belt effect). Accumulator #3 is this movement of the secondary lever assembly AROUND the left arm. ALL in a very coordinated way Called RHYTHM.

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I will try.
Re-number the power sources to the accumulator they represent.
1 & 2 to 1 & 4 and 3 & 4 to 2 & 3. So, power source #4 is accumulator # 3.
think of the hinges being at the left shoulder (primary lever assembly movement) and accumulators 2 and 3 at the wrist/hands, (secondary lever assembly- the flail- endless belt effect). Accumulator #3 is this movement of the secondary lever assembly AROUND the left arm. ALL in a very coordinated way Called RHYTHM.

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Thanks for trying to make a gateway into my head. I'm afraid I didn't permit this to happen, but some sort of shield blocked it from getting in.

Ted Fort calls it Left Forearm Roll. And this is happens because of Accumulator 3. If you all say so, it certainly must be true - and Homer Kelley said so as well. I stand corrected.

But that doesn't mean I understand what's going on. What is the difference between this left forearm roll and what happens in a horisontal hinging - allthough that's NOT the case here? Is it a (full) left forearm roll by accumulator 3 that resembles a horisontal hinging? The left forearm ROLLS. The reason it does it - is not because of a horisontal hinging , but does it do anything else than a horisontal hinging would have done in another situation, and apparently looks just like it? What is the difference other than the label and the way this is explained? Does the left arm do anything different? What kind of hinge motion is used in this total motion with the demonstrated left forearm roll in this video? Can a full swing be performed without hinging whatsoever of the left forearm - but with a left forearm roll nevertheless?
Does anyone see my problem here - other than a brain transplantation?
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I still don't understand how it is possible to roll the left forearm to get additional force/speed (as the 4th source as shown in the video) without it being a hinging motion. When the left arm rolls - why isn't that a horisontal hinging? Is it a movement of the left forearm that is identical to a horisontal (or angled?) hinging, but is called something else? The left arms doesn't move and not move at the same time? And if it moves - how can one roll the left forearm in different ways - it turns to the left doesn't it? How does this work with a angled hinging - how does the left forearm turn in this case? Who is bright enough to explain this in an understandable way?
Bright enough? Who knows? But, I'll do my best.

I'd like to preface the explanation by asking some leading questions:

1. Can I come into Impact in Pitch Elbow, with the Flat Left Wrist Turned and Cocked, then endow the Clubhead with speed through Uncocking and Rolling during the Release Interval, and (FROM IMPACT TO FOLLOW THROUGH) execute Vertical Hinging? If so, would it take some effort?

2. Can I come into Impact in Push Elbow, with the Flat Left Wrist Vertical and Level, endow the Clubhead with any additional speed, and (FROM IMPACT TO FOLLOW THROUGH) execute Horizontal Hinging? If so, should I?

I've purposefully gone to some extremes. There are things that are compatible and some things that are not. Holding the Left Wrist Vertical to any of the three Planes (Horizontal, Vertical, or Angled) from Impact to Follow Through can always be done at the slowest speeds. But, as the speed of the Club increases, through Uncocking and Rolling (Sequenced or Simultaneous), the momentum of the Clubhead and the rate of closing of the Clubface increase. A Clubface that's closing slowly or quickly tends to continue to do the same. Can it be interrupted? Yes.

Although that's a little deeper than the intent of my video, made for "Joe Public", I hope this clears some fog.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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Bright enough? Who knows? But, I'll do my best.

I'd like to preface the explanation by asking some leading questions:

1. Can I come into Impact in Pitch Elbow, with the Flat Left Wrist Turned and Cocked, then endow the Clubhead with speed through Uncocking and Rolling during the Release Interval, and (FROM IMPACT TO FOLLOW THROUGH) execute Vertical Hinging? If so, would it take some effort?

2. Can I come into Impact in Push Elbow, with the Flat Left Wrist Vertical and Level, endow the Clubhead with any additional speed, and (FROM IMPACT TO FOLLOW THROUGH) execute Horizontal Hinging? If so, should I?

I've purposefully gone to some extremes. There are things that are compatible and some things that are not. Holding the Left Wrist Vertical to any of the three Planes (Horizontal, Vertical, or Angled) from Impact to Follow Through can always be done at the slowest speeds. But, as the speed of the Club increases, through Uncocking and Rolling (Sequenced or Simultaneous), the momentum of the Clubhead and the rate of closing of the Clubface increase. A Clubface that's closing slowly or quickly tends to continue to do the same. Can it be interrupted? Yes.

Although that's a little deeper than the intent of my video, made for "Joe Public", I hope this clears some fog.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Thank you for explaining this to me in another way , which may work (I don't know yet - I'll have to chew on it, but it is appreciated.)
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