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Old 10-02-2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
"Swinging is Pulling and Hitting is Pushing and thats all."

It is possible to Pull, (Pitch Elbow) and Actively extend the Right Arm. If the Right Elbow leads its pulling isnt it?

Right Arm Swinging. Its not the safest of Right Elbow alignments, tending to muscle tear. You wouldnt pull a car by attaching your right hand to the side of the car and attempting to throw it forward. You wouldnt throw a shot putt. But it can be done for golf. Homer said it was a "beautiful" method, but he also warned of its potential for elbow injury. Not a certainty by any means but there is the potential.
Take my word for it! You can hurt your right elbow if you hit with a pitch right elbow position. BUT. you can hit with a punch position after pulling.

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Old 10-03-2010, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
Take my word for it! You can hurt your right elbow if you hit with a pitch right elbow position. BUT. you can hit with a punch position after pulling.

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Yup, me too. Had to start wearing my old squash, arm band for a while.

Now, when Im hitting it is most often not Drive Loading per 12-1. I employ a Swingers Startdown, Drag Loading then a Right Arm Throw. Drag then Drive with a Punch elbow and a late Random Sweep Release.....well as late as I can get it anyways. The earlier I Thrust against the #1 the earlier the Left Hand comes off the Inclined Plane, the earlier I Release, the more Push like my elbow. As if the Right Elbow aligns itself for pushing if I Release earlier. Although lately Ive slipped into an Automatic Release which maybe has me swinging..... Whether Im swinging or hitting is a fine line divided by the employment of the Right Arm Throw or not. They look very similar on tape , maybe if I stuck with Swinging for a while I'd approach a more Pitch like Right Elbow alignment but ......I keep going back and forth on Thrusting and so my elbow is Punch. I dont have much feel for #2 angle or the delay of, its more active Right Elbow in perception and feel for me.

There's this debate in some circles as to whether you can Pull and Push at the same time........ I'd say you can for pure Radial Acceleration , putting say for instance, but why would you want to for such a low powered shot? You can not employ Longitudinal Acceleration and Radial Acceleration at the same time , they are mutually exclusive. And so, you cant Drag and Drive Load at the same time from Top. One or the other or Drag then Drive later.

These debates always come down to definition. Homer wasnt wrong about it if you stick to his terminology and definitions. If you Radially accelerate Longitudinal Acceleration is over. Another way of saying this that you can only Push and Pull at the same time if you are pushing and pulling in the same direction. Pulling from Top , Drag Loading and Pushing, Drive Loading are not similarly Aligned. They bend the shaft along different axis.....90 degrees to each other. A "quarter turn" on the shaft , each with their own associated Lag Pressure Point location and Right Forearm alignment for support. All a product of the direction of Loading alone not because of a "quarter turn" of anything. Top or aft of shaft.......you cant load them both at the same time.

Before I understood this I used to like the feel of loading my #3pp at the index finger, trigger finger, first joint on the way back which had me over swiveling it under plane. It felt good but was wrong, a false feel if you will. Now I load the knuckle and presto Im on plane. No more wagging it under plane like Ray Floyd. I changed a feel and fixed my direction of Loading and Plane compliance. But like I said I Drag Load in Startdown, dont load the knuckle if you are a Drive Loader.

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Old 10-03-2010, 06:47 PM
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One or the other or Drag then Drive later.




I like this, it should work. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't.
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