Honestly, I'm lost trying to envision the Throwout from a "DTL view".
K, I just reviewed things and I believe you are correct .....the clubhead is subject to CF throwout after the clubhead moves outside the hands from a caddy view. I stand corrected.
Thank you for this.
It seems to me to be very similar to the manner in which a water skier is subject to CF throwout when the boat takes a corner. The skier moves outside the boat and accelerates Radially. Prior to that the skier and the boat are traveling in line and accelerating at the same speed. The tighter the turn made by the boat (the smaller the pulley wheel, Endless Belt Analogy) the more the angular acceleration. So to delay release you have to lengthen the period of Longitudinal Acceleration.
"10-19-C DRAG LOADING
Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the "Swinger", an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as thought it were being drawn from a quiver like a n arrow--feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the out-side and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Point #1 to support the PULL on the Clubshaft ----especially for Short Shot Power. "
By "lengthwise" he means dragging longitudinally, like the skier being pulled straight line by the boat both accelerating at the same speed Release.
So a longitudinal or straight line hand path with the clubhead following straightline will have no associated CF Throwout because there is no CF, no turning motion. But once the Hands, like the speed boat, take the turn ....CF and Throwout of #2.
If Im right about this....this would suggest to me that one of the best ways to delay Release is to try as best as you can to Pull the Hands Straightline from Top and keep your Left Hand flat to the Inclined Plane.
"10-20-E WRIST THROW
Here the Right Hand remains palm-up to the Plane during the Uncocking of the Left WRist to produce a Sequenced Release per 2-G and 4-D-0. Especially compatible with Swinging. See 6-H-0-F.
By deliberately initiating the Wrist Roll at any point before reaching the end of the Delivery Path Line , the Non-Automatic version can be produced. "
"By deliberately initiating the Wrist Roll" meaning the left hand rotates off the plane......the boat is now not pulling the skier lengthwise, CF throwout has been "Triggered".
So the question is how on earth to get your hands to travel Straight Line for ideal Longitudinal Acceleration? Daryl your drawings of the circular Hand Path can maybe help with this. If you were to Startdown from End , 90 degrees of #2 Angle and mark End with a dot on the Hand Path's radius.......then skip down to Bobby Clampetts Release Point and mark it with a dot , then draw a cord from the dot at Top to the dot at his Release point. This cord would show a significant section of the circle bisected. A significant amount of long curved Hand Path. Now contrast this with a dot made at TOP and then a cord dropped from there down to Bobby's Release Point say. Notice how much more of a straight line the Hands are taking. Less curve meaning less CF Throwout. Now what if you added a little common speak "down cocking" into the mix from TOP? That'd delay the point where the clubhead crosses outside of the hands right?
I'd suggest that stopping your Hands at Top is one way a lot of us could improve our Longitudinal , inline Acceleration. The other is to keep the Left Hand Turned to Plane. From there you got options ....auto or non auto.
Personally when I look at Hogan I see a 10-20-C (Right) Shoulder Turn Throw and then a 10-20-E WRIST THROW, combo. But I could be wrong.
Please feel free to rip this apart anyone............Im here to learn.
I'm far from the expert on the "Endless Belt Effect" because all that I can understand from it is that although the Clubhead Surface Speed increases when going from a straight line to around the pulley, the RPM of the Hands and Clubhead should remain the same.
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This is possible only if and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the out-side and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5.
So, we have two ways of preventing the Clubhead from pulling into it's own Orbit.
1st. Hold the Clubhead inside the Arc of the Hands
or
2nd. Hold to a Line Deliver Path
The diagrams below illustrate holding the Clubhead inside the Arc of the Hands and then what happens when we allow the Center of the Clubhead Arc to move to the Left Shoulder. When we move the Center of the Clubhead Arc to the Left Shoulder, the Clubhead moves outside the Arc of the Hands.
I know it needs a lot of work. The diagrams are really awful. I need time to think about them.
Outside the arc is the skier tow-rope outside the wake of the boat.
Inside the arc is when the tow-rope crosses the wake. either because the skier never got outside before the boat turns or the boat turns so sharp that the tow-rope is inside the wake.
Because you can't push a string example ends here.
BUT, A shaft bends.
If the angle (approx) of the shaft is "inside" the arc it will stay there and if your wrists are flexible enough you can hit yourself in the back of the head with the club head (softly though)
The straight line would be a special case where the arc of the hands have an infinite radius so the club will be inside and just line up behind the force pulling it.
Just how I visualize the example.
The Bear
Last edited by HungryBear : 12-09-2010 at 05:45 PM.
Case one- very large pulley- the club is "cast" very early in the downswing- has no lag near impact and has likely passed the ball before the hands.
Case two- very small pulley- the club has been traveling at 20 mph (linear) and cf is not sufficient to accelerate the club head AROUND PULLEY to 100+ mph so EXTREME lag pressure is needed.
Different things happen
#1 can have velocity but no mass
#2 has lots of mass but velocity is a problem.
Swinging is manipulating CF.
I am still hoping to use the magic of the right forearm, 7-3, in the release "process" but I'm not sure it's intended to fit.
The Bear
Last edited by HungryBear : 12-09-2010 at 06:26 PM.
I am still hoping to use the magic of the right forearm, 7-3, in the release "process" but I'm not sure it's intended to fit.
The Bear
I believe it does fit. I'm typing on my iPhone but take a look at the Hogan photo sequence I posted. He takes his right shoulder down plane on a TSP angle, then as his Left Arm accelerates away from his shoulders his right arm is straightening. As it must. There is a delay but this right arm straightening (passive or active). Pushes the left hand off it's turned to the plane alignment. You're into Radial. Lag Pressure point rotates from knuckle to first joint in the index finger.
But ........I do recall my physics marks in
Highschool , Geometry, architectural drawings , perspective no problem. Physics......I hit a few clangers on occasion.
A point that needs mentioning. Although it may look like this release discussion would result in an early release and throw-away, that is not an intent. This is an alignment solution/problem. Particular to section 4-D-1, last paragraph, the "hard to detect" wrist actions.
And
Understanding 12-3-0 sections 6-7-8, emphasis on section 6 #20, #21, #22
Hybrid Mode
