Gregg Mchatton no up in the Backswing

[david sandridge]

The McHatton Doyle west coast part of the TGM tree certainly believes in extensor action. Yoda's post #21 stating that the arms "must swing freely from the shoulders" would please Greg a lot. Greg asks his students to let the arms hang freely at address. Then he grabs your hands and lifts them up. If your head and thorax come up he points out that your arms were not hanging freely. If you argue he will ask "weren't you looking at the ground at address, then where are you looking now"?. With relaxed arms the instructor lifting them should not cause you to come up. Sometimes students don't "get it". As much as Lynn stresses MacDonald's exercises their importance it took me awhile to "get it". It is very difficult to express golf instruction in english words that correctly transmit meaning. That is why we have all of these discussion day after day, year after year with each of us looking for an "a ha" moment. Then we hope to take these words, carry them to the range and have another "a ha" moment. Then more importantly find that same feeling out on the course. Perhaps relaxed arm,s ie power package feels "heavy", "hanging".

[miji]

I think it is easier for me to isolate the tricep, apply EA to stretch the left arm, and maintain the arms "swinging freely" with the right hand more on top of the shaft. I would also agree that in this position, once isolated, the tricep muscle motion feels similar to a pure tricep extension excercise which makes sense since the hands are normally positioned on top of the load and pushing down at an angle to accomplish this excercise. However, as the r/h rotates to the stronger position on the side of the shaft and I try to stretch the left arm, the tricep does not feel as if it is isolated any longer (while excercising we normally keep our "elbows in" in order to isolate the tricep muscle). In fact, as I rotate to a stronger r/h position I can't help but engage the chest and shoulders (makes sense to me as applying force from BOTH the top and side to PP#1 would seem to closely resemble a "decline" bench press-which is not intended to isolate the tricep). Does this really matter? Probably for some golfers it does and others it does not since there might still be room for the arms to swing freely even with the three slightly contracted muscle groups. If McHatton is hitting, he must eventually dial in some EA. I'd be interested to know if he has ever associated any particular grip style with achieving his arms hanging freely.

[O.B.Left]

The McHatton Doyle west coast part of the TGM tree certainly believes in extensor action. Yoda's post #21 stating that the arms "must swing freely from the shoulders" would please Greg a lot. Greg asks his students to let the arms hang freely at address. Then he grabs your hands and lifts them up. If your head and thorax come up he points out that your arms were not hanging freely. If you argue he will ask "weren't you looking at the ground at address, then where are you looking now"?. With relaxed arms the instructor lifting them should not cause you to come up. Sometimes students don't "get it". As much as Lynn stresses MacDonald's exercises their importance it took me awhile to "get it". It is very difficult to express golf instruction in english words that correctly transmit meaning. That is why we have all of these discussion day after day, year after year with each of us looking for an "a ha" moment. Then we hope to take these words, carry them to the range and have another "a ha" moment. Then more importantly find that same feeling out on the course. Perhaps relaxed arm,s ie power package feels "heavy", "hanging".

What a great post . Thanks David.

I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.

See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!

How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?

Regards

[innercityteacher]

What a great post . Thanks David.

I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.

See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!

How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?

Regards

I went to the indoor range, tonight, and tried all sorts of components. BTW all I know of Mr. McHatton is what I've seen on You Tube and read here.

I tried very loose wrists and arms and kept dragging the club into my foot!

I tried Standard Address with a Lagging club while I rotated my right hip and then I preserved the Lag and mashed the ball -115 yard PW -55 mph swing speed according to the radar.

I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch. 121 yards PW -58 mph.

I don't know what Daryl, OB and Yoda know, so I'm sure I'm leaking power everywhere but the shots were straight on the shot meter or sometimes classified as a "Pull-Draw."

I played with my Flip camera-man I need to loose weight! I also need a tripod!

ICT

[Yoda]

I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch.

Omigosh, City. This is just way too much!



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