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Old 12-28-2010, 09:55 AM
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What are the causes of the different post-impact alignments we see in VJ and Hogan? I think I understand VJ's move pretty well. But less so with Hogan.

How does Hogan manage to hold his wedges so well and so far past impact?
I've seen swing sequences of both Ben and V.J. with markedly different impact alignments . . . in their own swings!

Please post a specific photo comparison together with your own observations and conclusions. I'll then add my own. Everybody else feel free to join the fun!

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Old 12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
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Has anyone considered "Plane Line Tracing"? ______________________________________________

Although there may be multiple causes for Off Plane Post Impact Shaft Syndrome (O-PPISS) , maybe the solution, if one finds it necessary, is going back to the basic fundamentals.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:02 PM
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Has anyone considered "Plane Line Tracing"?

Although there may be multiple causes for Off Plane Post Impact Shaft Syndrome (O-PPISS), maybe the solution, if necessary, is going back to the basic fundamentals.
I'm for sure cool with tracing . . . BUT . . . we can't forget 1-L-5 . . . That is what I see Hogan doing so well . . . doesn't deviate from the line nor does he deviate from the selected plane angle (elbow plane in his case). He lays the shaft on the plane as well as anybody who's ever laced 'em up.

Has a lot to do with right shoulder geometry and trajectory too . . hip and knee action . . .

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Old 12-28-2010, 02:39 PM
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Please post a specific photo comparison together with your own observations and conclusions. I'll then add my own. Everybody else feel free to join the fun!
I guess I had it coming

I need a good down the line or up the line Hogan photo sequence or film to do this. One where I can see hand path and clubhead path on a number of position from end to end. I have spent about two hours browsing for Hogan sequences but I can't find something that is good enough for this purpose. If anyone has something that can be used please let me know.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:31 PM
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I guess I had it coming

I need a good down the line or up the line Hogan photo sequence or film to do this. One where I can see hand path and clubhead path on a number of position from end to end. I have spent about two hours browsing for Hogan sequences but I can't find something that is good enough for this purpose. If anyone has something that can be used please let me know.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:43 PM
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Could u use that hogan swing path without the tremendous lag he generates?

Average guy would turn the sod over it trying that move, wouldn't they?
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:35 PM
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you would not want to actively uncock and roll.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:22 AM
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Thank you Daryl,

The first film there is much better than I could find.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:46 AM
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Let me throw in this quote for consideration....

Its from the book
The Pro: Lessons from My Father About Golf and Life
by Claude Harmon (Author), Joseph Buttler (Narrator)
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Once when practicing with Ben Hogan Claude Snr. asked Ben about swing plane. Mr. Hogan pointed his thumb down the range at the other players and said;
"They keep trying to get their hands high, more upright, and I'm trying to get flatter all the time. As I get flat when I move into the ball with my left side, it drops me inside even flatter and I come from the inside every time without ever coming over the ball. The flatter I get the fatter my wallet gets."
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