flat vs steep BS shoulder turn?

[O.B.Left]

In a previous sentence you stated "Homer said number one reasons golfers don't improve is right hip doesn't clear in start up".


Did he mean that the Right Hip blocked the Right Elbow and that golfers should move the right hip out of the way of the right elbow or was he saying that Golfers don't know how to get passed the Right Hip when using a Right Forearm Takeaway?

The former I believe. Hence the early first reference to "clear the right hip" in 12-3. If you dont the Hands will go out and around , to prevent the collision and take the club with them....outside. Very common back in Homers day. Outside , with an unbending right elbow and then a lot of heavy lifting to sky high hands, Turning Shoulder Plane. The fix began with the Hips clearing an inside path for the Right Elbow ....back and then down.

There's a second "clear the Right Hip" in 12-3 too.......prior to Startdown I believe, dont have my book with me, which I think relates to the Delayed turn with a Hip Slide. This clears a nice path for the right elbow to pass on the downstroke.

Hogan might have the blended the two into one movement......turnandslide. That guy cleared his Right Hip ......he had to, to attack from the inside like he did.

"Well the most important move in golf is the movement of the lower body".

Nowadays some people think you can avoid the slide all together and just turn..... interesting stuff.

[Daryl]

Well, I can understand how someone with a Shoulder Turn Takeaway would have a problem Clearing the Right Hip. Golfers using the Right Forearm Takeaway shouldn't have that problem.

The Yellow Book is a little confusing regarding these procedures. In 10-15 Delayed Hip Action, the Shoulders lead the Hip Turn during the Backstroke. This is a Right Forearm Takeaway Procedure. An Option for Shoulder Turn Takeaways is to move the Right Hip out of the way before Start-up.

It gets more confusing in the 7th Edition, "Delayed Hip Action is the only Variation that assures "Clearing the Right Hip" in both directions (2-N-0)."