flat vs steep BS shoulder turn?

[HungryBear]

HK said that the TSP offers more Right Shoulder support than the Elbow Plane.

How does that happen? Well, it's an Alignment.

If you stand behind the Golfer (during Impact) and look down his Right Shoulder, down the Angle of Approach of his Right Forearm, are the #3 PP, Elbow and Right Shoulder in Alignment to the Angle of Approach. It doesn't mean that the Right Shoulder stays On-Plane all the way until Impact or how high or low the Right Forearm. And, you can't measure that from drawn lines of a down the line view as in the photos of these two golfers.

To see if you're getting Right Shoulder support, tie a string from your Right Shoulder to your #3 PP, and imagine a vertical plane of the string. Then at Impact, is your Elbow aligned/touching that String Plane?

Shoulder position? TSP at Top- Pitch elbow vs. punch elbow. See the two sequences above . See the different alignments. Required alignments ? Because of elbow pitch vs. punch?

HB

[Daryl]

Hitters Angled Hinging invariably/automatically aligns the Right Shoulder for Impact Support. Swingers don't. 99% of Golfers are Swingers.

[HungryBear]

Hitters Angled Hinging invariably/automatically aligns the Right Shoulder for Impact Support. Swingers don't. 99% of Golfers are Swingers.

Like to see a survey- I think it would be interesting.

% who think they are swingers.
% that are swingers.
% of "swingers" that use a Pitch elbow.
% That just think they use a pitch elbow.
% that start at adfjusted address.
% that start a FIX or otherwise
% that don't shift plane.
% that think they don't shift plane.

Golly! this could go on forever.

[O.B.Left]

O.B.

My thinking: No, No, No,

1-L can do R/R, and LONG shots, but, not musch else- no shift or slide etc.

HB

1-L? The Machine? It doesnt have two Shoulders how can it do Rotated? You talking Angled Hinge arrangement?


Its a model , only, a good one too for understanding the inherent geometry of an Angular Motion on an Inclined Plane with a Hinge Action. But we're talking human motion now arent we? More levers?

So you saying you can do Rotated/Rotated with an axis tilt, a hip slide , a weight shift? I dont think so. Once the right shoulder drops via the hip slide axis tilt .......it isnt Rotated on the way down any more.

The helicopter blades do not describe single plane of motion back and down, when you tilt your axis. Good thing too , to my mind. I like to get the Right Shoulder closer to the ball and tilt its plane of motion towards the ball/plane line.

[12 piece bucket]

HK said that the TSP offers more Right Shoulder support than the Elbow Plane.

How does that happen? Well, it's an Alignment.

If you stand behind the Golfer (during Impact) and look down his Right Shoulder, down the Angle of Approach of his Right Forearm, are the #3 PP, Elbow and Right Shoulder in Alignment to the Angle of Approach. It doesn't mean that the Right Shoulder stays On-Plane all the way until Impact or how high or low the Right Forearm. And, you can't measure that from drawn lines of a down the line view as in the photos of these two golfers.

To see if you're getting Right Shoulder support, tie a string from your Right Shoulder to your #3 PP, and imagine a vertical plane of the string. Then at Impact, is your Elbow aligned/touching that String Plane?

Daryl . . . . you don't think that the hands and club are being supported by the shoulder motion in this swing? I see the right arm being supported by the ENTIRE TORSO? Right shoulder seems to be pressuring the entire left arm and right forearm?

[12 piece bucket]

1-L? The Machine? It doesnt have two Shoulders how can it do Rotated? You talking Angled Hinge arrangement?


Once the right shoulder drops via the hip slide axis tilt .......it isnt Rotated on the way down any more.

The helicopter blades do not describe single plane of motion back and down, when you tilt your axis. Good thing too , to my mind. I like to get the Right Shoulder closer to the ball and tilt its plane of motion towards the ball/plane line.

1-L is THE golfing machine right? there isn't a shoulder joint that moves the hinge pin away from the axis . . .

The hips can slide forward and the hip slant and shoulder slant not immediately "spin the fly wheel" . . . you'll see this in lots of players . . . hips and shoulders maintain their slant as the hips move forward . . .


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[Daryl]

Daryl . . . . you don't think that the hands and club are being supported by the shoulder motion in this swing? I see the right arm being supported by the ENTIRE TORSO? Right shoulder seems to be pressuring the entire left arm and right forearm?

Let me put it this way: That guy wouldn't know a right arm if it wasn't attached to his body...

I see a ton of muscle flex in his left forearm but none-zero-zip from his right arm.

The Alignments are there. Great Horizontal Hinge with Right Arm Alignment support. He's a great player but his right arm has atrophied and it's barely strong enough to hold a soup spoon.

I don't know. Someone needs to give him a call and ask if he Drives his Right Forearm into Impact.

[david sandridge]

Perhaps he is using all left arm to throw like a side arm frisbee throw with little right arm participation. I can recall someone's review paper about right arm vs left arm centrifugal force use .

[david sandridge]

OK bucket find a pic of an atrophied left arm and taut muscles in right arm perhaps performing a right arm underhanded throw with and inert left arm which is only a rope.

[HungryBear]

1-L? The Machine? It doesnt have two Shoulders how can it do Rotated? You talking Angled Hinge arrangement?


Its a model , only, a good one too for understanding the inherent geometry of an Angular Motion on an Inclined Plane with a Hinge Action. But we're talking human motion now arent we? More levers?

So you saying you can do Rotated/Rotated with an axis tilt, a hip slide , a weight shift? I dont think so. Once the right shoulder drops via the hip slide axis tilt .......it isnt Rotated on the way down any more.

The helicopter blades do not describe single plane of motion back and down, when you tilt your axis. Good thing too , to my mind. I like to get the Right Shoulder closer to the ball and tilt its plane of motion towards the ball/plane line.

O.B.
As I understand it "Rotated" is Turning around the post. 1-L. In either direction. I think one could "relocate" (tilt, shift etc.) the shoulders at almost any point as long as the TURN is around the post and NOT around a TILT axis. You can also get the shoulder closer to the ball by leaning the post towards the ball.

HB