The hips can slide forward and the hip slant and shoulder slant not immediately "spin the fly wheel" . . . you'll see this in lots of players . . . hips and shoulders maintain their slant as the hips move forward . . .
Just re reading this. Slide with a Delayed Turn (Hogan) will not spin the fly wheel agreed. You can not spin without turning. Turning, the Pivot as a giant rotor, ground up sequence, one of the two divergent vectors etc.
But the Slide of the Hips given a centered head will tilt the right shoulder closer to the ground , or given forward waist bend down plane towards the ball.
Buck baby, I think you are talking shoulder "slant" looking DTL while Im talking "tilt" caddy view? Maybe? I dunno.
Imagine Hogan unsliding his hips in that first pic below his right shoulder would move up, no? Wouldnt be Hogan anymore, man that guy had a great set of hips.
I dunno. Its way easier to see this shoulder axis tilt when the shoulders arent turned like they are Top. Thats why I picked that one there at impact. But the same tilt is there prior to Startdown for Hogan.
PS just noticed the ellipses have a slide depicted ....never noticed that before. See how the Hip ellipse has slid target wards. That guy knew exactly what he was doing to include that in the drawing. Or not, whats up with the following ones though? What the.... Looks like he's hitting downhill all of a sudden mid swing. Hmmm editorial maybe? Hoover's FBI maybe? Didnt want the commies getting ahold of our golf secrets. Yup .....its all making sense to me now.
very nice OB! good ole VJ Trolio knows a little bit about that action
For sure I was really enjoying his book till I lent it to my brother. Homer and Lynn have taught it for decades now. Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn. To me this is the second "Clear the Right Hip" of 12-3. The thing that could have fixed Tigers "stuck"'position maybe? Hogan cleared a path for his Right Elbow, Moe try to clear one that you could drive a truck through. Pitch elbow requires room which I think relates to that move they both display in Buckets videos maybe.
Axis Tilting gets the Right Shoulder down which is great but the associated Slide shifts the weight, centers up the Axis of rotation over the left side like vj pointed out and with the still turned back right hip creates a lane for the insie out delivery path of the right forearm, the elbow being the problem.
Took me years to realize this problem could create Release to avoid the collision. Is this another reason a lot of good golfers dip their Heads? To create a wider lane?
Sorry for going off topic............
P.S. To get it all on topic: If the Flat Back turn of the Right Shoulder in Startup cant make it all the way over to your desired plane at Impact (shaft plane probably, ideally) then the Slide (with the Delayed Turn) will get it there or at the very least closer. Failing that you could Vertical Drop, Shift Down to a lower plane or come in on a higher plane than your shaft plane.
This is all based on Plane Shifting be "hazardous" which it is, theoretically, although it can be trained and engrained obviously. Homer did define everything from zero shift to more planes than an airport to non shaft planar all together.
no worries...I tried it for a while and had a couple great rounds, but for some reason I was getting ahead of the ball at impact and smothering or pushing everything.
I went into my back leg at the start of the BS, then made the lateral move toward the target in the later part of my BS. But before I knew it, my head & upper body were in front of the ball.
Im enjoying success now just using a basic (12-1,12-2?) drive load pattern a la Brian Gay, so I have shelved VJ's move for now. Doing a LOT of DS waggles per Lynn in Alignment Golf, feeling the pull...I do have a quesiton on drive loading that Im about to post in the hitters forum.
no worries...I tried it for a while and had a couple great rounds, but for some reason I was getting ahead of the ball at impact and smothering or pushing everything.
I went into my back leg at the start of the BS, then made the lateral move toward the target in the later part of my BS. But before I knew it, my head & upper body were in front of the ball.
Im enjoying success now just using a basic (12-1,12-2?) drive load pattern a la Brian Gay, so I have shelved VJ's move for now. Doing a LOT of DS waggles per Lynn in Alignment Golf, feeling the pull...I do have a quesiton on drive loading that Im about to post in the hitters forum.
IMHO, and I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong...
MacDonald drill #2, while keeping some pressure on the left foot, and you are very close to the action of both Lynn and VJ... I am a very big fan of VJs book as well.
If I don't keep pressure on my left foot, I can't get left through impact... I can try to get this fat, inflexible body to Hula-Hula all I want, but if I don't keep pressure on that left foot all I can do under the gun is spin around my right leg. Death move.
Another opinion, if you look at the principles of pressure on the left foot in S&T, TROLIO, and YODA, they are very similar. Centered Pivot, no matter how you get er done...
Kevin
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When you keep pressure on the left foot are you less likely to get that feeling (or reality) that you are getting ahead of the ball at impact? Im all for "covering" the ball, but when I did VJ's pivot, or McHattons youtube "torque drill", or even Clements "hogan move" I always got ahead of the ball at impact.
When I do Lynn's DS waggle from the AG vid,,(stretch w/ extensor rightward as lower body is stretching toward the target) I dont get ahead of the ball, my head stays back and all is good.
Im prolly just "over cooking" VJ's move or something, but Im sure it could be a pretty dynamic move once mastered...
When you keep pressure on the left foot are you less likely to get that feeling (or reality) that you are getting ahead of the ball at impact? Im all for "covering" the ball, but when I did VJ's pivot, or McHattons youtube "torque drill", or even Clements "hogan move" I always got ahead of the ball at impact.
When I do Lynn's DS waggle from the AG vid,,(stretch w/ extensor rightward as lower body is stretching toward the target) I dont get ahead of the ball, my head stays back and all is good.
Im prolly just "over cooking" VJ's move or something, but Im sure it could be a pretty dynamic move once mastered...
Hi CF, Kev, sportsfans.
I have been cycling around all these images, also. A couple of times I did VJ's move on purpose and got a sold 230 yard carry. But I could not replicate it. since that time, I have realized the Flail's importance and the power of arms in Zone 2, and the needed connectedness of the chains.
I played last Sunday morning with one thought. I made myself swing around a stationary head. It was 35 degrees and blustery with a sunny sky. We were playing two man better ball so I was taking some chances I would not normally take and shot 9 pars but 3 doubles and one trip bogie =91
Our team core was 73. My bulls eye putter was so sweet. Thanks JerryG!
The greens were like ice, so to speak! LOL Oh wait, freezing is 32 degr. F.
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When you keep pressure on the left foot are you less likely to get that feeling (or reality) that you are getting ahead of the ball at impact? Im all for "covering" the ball, but when I did VJ's pivot, or McHattons youtube "torque drill", or even Clements "hogan move" I always got ahead of the ball at impact.
When I do Lynn's DS waggle from the AG vid,,(stretch w/ extensor rightward as lower body is stretching toward the target) I dont get ahead of the ball, my head stays back and all is good.
Im prolly just "over cooking" VJ's move or something, but Im sure it could be a pretty dynamic move once mastered...
I didn't do a very good job of answering your question ColtsFan. I see your point...
That is where Homer's ideas were so incredibly brilliant, it's different for everybody. We want everybody to achieve the same mechanics, but have to use their own "feels" to achieve them.
My problem has always been the opposite of yours. I am trying to "feel" like I get ahead of the ball to cover it. My issue has always been going the other way, backing up. That's why I have to work so hard at trying to keep my chest over the ball, and why I enjoy the teaching of guys like VJ Trolio and S&T so much. When I "feel" a weight shift on the back stroke, I'm not into my right leg, I'm over it. Death! The "feels" of staying left help me achieve a motion closer to my model which is the video of YODA I posted...
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I can try to get this fat, inflexible body to Hula-Hula all I want, but if I don't keep pressure on that left foot all I can do under the gun is spin around my right leg. Death move.
The "feels" of staying left help me achieve a motion closer to my model which is the video of YODA I posted... 
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