Eldrick Picture..good?bad? depends?

[12 piece bucket]

Nice one! Agreed a Hitter can get his Pivot Working via the Pivot PUSHING from the right side. Not a ground up , swinging from the feet pulling or Drag Loading . The left arm is not accelerated in this manner. Arguably , meaning that by definition Power Accumulator number 4 (Left ARm Power) is not being employed. Some would say this isn't 4B Hitting therefor as theres no #4. But I wasn't talking about that. You right that would not be 10-19-C Drag Loading.

Gotta stop you here....swinging from the feet is NOT ...related to SWINGING procedure exclusively.....it is related to PIVOT LAG....the Hitter doesn't not forfeit pivot lag, nor swinging from the feet, nor maximum radius due to HIS SELECTED PROCEDURE.....just want to be sure we are clear there....

6-K-0 PIVOT STROKE DELIVERY In a “Pivot Stroke” the Power Package is held in a fixed relationship with the Body Turn and no independent Arm motion occurs until – or unless – the requirements of the selected Pivot are met. Then Arm Motion, independently or not, Continues Delivery per 10-19 until the selected Trigger occurs (10-20).

Lets work the other side then ...
What would you call a 3B Swinger who added a Right Arm Throw? If he's got a Right ARm Throw he's Pushing in Release , Hitting right? Doesn't he still have a 10-19-C Drag Loading Startdown? Or are you saying he has to forfeit that?
May want to re-read....application of force....


7-20 TRIGGER TYPES The term “Trigger” is used to denote that action which initiates the Release of the Power Package Assembly of Power Accumulators (6-B) to develop and apply force to the ball. It is the lengthening of the third side of the Triangle Assembly which moves the Lever Assemblies toward and through Impact per Pattern. See 6-M-0.

The procedures are termed “Throws” wither they “throw” or are “thrown.” They may be used individually or in combinations. The standard combinations are listed only in Chapter 11-20. Trigger Types are selected according to Release Type and Release Point as defined in 10-20 and 10-24 – that is, Sweep with Sweep, Snap with Snap, etc. For Hitters that means that Triggering (7-20), Assembly (7-21), Loading (7-22), Delivery (7-23) and Release (7-24) require an active Right Elbow and an inactive Left Wrist. For Swingers – vice versa. Study 6-C-2-A, 7-3 and 10-3-K. Remember – an “Active Right Arm” can be Monitored ONLY through awareness of an “Active Right Elbow.” Study 2-G regarding the Swivel and Rhythm. Maximum Trigger Delay noticeably restricts maximum Handspeed (6-N-0). Every Player has a maximum Handspeed and no amount of violent effort will change it much. However, that violent effort per 7-19, cause the Clubhead to fly out into its own orbit prematurely with typical Throwaway results.



I never said " PULL from Pitch". I said Pull from Punch Elbow approaching Pitch Elbow.

I personally see Pitch as a structurally week position from which to Push assuming you can Push .... I have some tendon issues to prove it. You're close to being in a pull position depending on where your Right Elbow is relation to you Hands, meaning you've crossed over to Right Arm Swinging.

As an aside Homer never said you couldn't Hit from Pitch, or Snap for that matter. So here's a point where we both are straying from Homers logic.
In the audio tapes he mentions Right Arm Pitch Basic. " Pitch Basic is merely the Elbow position and can be used Hitting or Swinging, its beautiful for Hitting... "

From the book see POWER PACKAGE RELEASE 10-24-0 GENERAL ".... All Release Variations are valid for both Hitting and Swinging....". This includes 10-24-D NON AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE and 10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE

Maybe you think Im wrong to suggest you can mix all these components up but I submit Homer did it more than I do. In the end he was talking about some crazy non (shaft) planar component combinations. Personally , practically I still have a strong preference for keeping things simple ! Stricker style for me.

If "deep Pitch translates into Sequenced Release" as you say then that would suggest to me that a Hitter could Sequence his Release ... Interesting stuff. Ive also read that the deeper a Hitters Right Elbow gets the more he tends towards Horizontal Hinging. Also interesting.




To me too and therefor the Pivot motion changes as well, logically.


Wanna move over to Arnie's start down?

Or go back to Tiger? Think he got to Pitch Elbow by slowing down? That'd be a good thing in my book. No amount of effort can increase you hand speed materially past a certain point. I think he used to operate past that point a lot. He should get more club head speed like this , with a later release. He probably feels like he's swinging slower when he does this. I like it.

D. I got a feeling Tiger knows exactly what Extensor Action is. Small Pulley Wheel. How figure skaters spin faster. Zone 2 as Power as opposed to Zone 1. What being on plane at Top looks like . Plane Shifts. Plane Line Rotation. Right Forearm Takeaway. Unless things have really changed with Sean Foley , which is possible. He doesnt stand still on the knowledge front. Bet he buys your video .... watch for the new buzz word on tour... "the forearm angle of approach". Kostis will use it without knowing what it is. "Tiger used to get stuck but watch as he clears a huge path with his hips for his right forearm angle of approach".

Have a look........

[O.B.Left]

Gotta stop you here....swinging from the feet is NOT ...related to SWINGING procedure exclusively.....it is related to PIVOT LAG....the Hitter doesn't not forfeit pivot lag, nor swinging from the feet, nor maximum radius due to HIS SELECTED PROCEDURE.....just want to be sure we are clear there....

Being of the opinion that Hitters can employ Drag Loading (with compensations and reservations) I totally agree.

In the first edition 12-1 SAMPLE PATTERN - FULL STROKE Homer's pattern includes amongst other components:

-10-3-A Punch
-Tripple Barrel
-10-10-D Dual Horizontal
-10-19-C Drag Loading
-10-20-B Right Arm Throw


This is not an uncompensated stroke pattern ( like the later editions 12-1 and 12-2 I believe) but surely the inclusion of Drag Loading and Right Arm Throw implies they are "useable" and not "incompatible" . Why would he reference them if they were otherwise? Although Homer did have a certain "way with words" ... I think we can all agree on that one.

Above the pattern he writes:

" It is also advisable to note, under "Comments" , those components whose selection was based on use as compensation for troublesome or incompatible Components. An adequate explanation should also be given".

Here's the entire list below .

[Daryl]

Good thing that Homer updated his "work-in-progress".

[O.B.Left]

Anybody who tries to understand Homer is insane. Well....... if he isn't upon starting his research.... he soon will be. Uh how much research you been doing D? Me, Im totally nutso after only a few years.

[Daryl]

Anybody who tries to understand Homer is insane. Well....... if he isn't upon starting his research.... he soon will be. Uh how much research you been doing D? Me, Im totally nutso after only a few years.

I know what you mean. Researching for the past 18 months (2012 is my 30th year with TGM) and I'm almost done. It's slow going. I'm pretty sure that I either have a complete grasp of everything, or I've gone insane.

Seriously, I'm rehearsing the scripts/storyboards for my videos. I need TGM people to polish my presentation but no one around the Chicago Area.

I guarantee that the teaching and info in these videos has never been done before.

Introduction: TGM
Right Forearm Angle of Approach and the Flying Wedges
Plane Line Tracing
Impact Fix (Grips) Strong vs Weak Single Action
Downstroke Acceleration Sequence and Clubhead Lag
Hinging and Swiveling
Geometry of the Circle
Ball Locations
Extensor Action
Right Forearm Takeaway
Magic of the Right Forearm
Velocity vs Mass (How to Adjust the Sequenced Release)

[JerryG]

Frankly, D, I've been getting a little impatient waiting for your production. Now that I see your list of topics I am even more buzzed. How much longer?
As for the previous discussion, I'm just the opposite, I guess. If I try to do a one piece take away, or at least what I understand it to be, out of bad habits I get way too inside and low. I believe I know where my hands need to go in order to start the downward motion. Therefore, it is a hands driven pivot for me. I try to put 'em where they need to go and the rest of it seems to pretty well fall in place. Maybe it is a one piece take away, but hands first instead of trunk or shoulders.

[Daryl]

Frankly, D, I've been getting a little impatient waiting for your production. Now that I see your list of topics I am even more buzzed. How much longer?
As for the previous discussion, I'm just the opposite, I guess. If I try to do a one piece take away, or at least what I understand it to be, out of bad habits I get way too inside and low. I believe I know where my hands need to go in order to start the downward motion. Therefore, it is a hands driven pivot for me. I try to put 'em where they need to go and the rest of it seems to pretty well fall in place. Maybe it is a one piece take away, but hands first instead of trunk or shoulders.

I know what you mean. I told Kev to let me know when you guys are getting together. It's an opportunity for me. I'll show you alignments in minutes and you'll understand and be able to execute expert level Hinging, Right Forearm Takeaway, etc., and your Ball Striking will have immediate dramatic and permanent improvement. Words cannot replace show and tell. Once you see and understand the Right Forearm Angle of Approach and Hinge Action (2 things that ALL Pro's do) you'll never be the same.

[O.B.Left]

I know what you mean. Researching for the past 18 months (2012 is my 30th year with TGM) and I'm almost done. It's slow going. I'm pretty sure that I either have a complete grasp of everything, or I've gone insane.

Seriously, I'm rehearsing the scripts/storyboards for my videos. I need TGM people to polish my presentation but no one around the Chicago Area.

I guarantee that the teaching and info in these videos has never been done before.

Introduction: TGM
Right Forearm Angle of Approach and the Flying Wedges
Plane Line Tracing
Impact Fix (Grips) Strong vs Weak Single Action
Downstroke Acceleration Sequence and Clubhead Lag
Hinging and Swiveling
Geometry of the Circle
Ball Locations
Extensor Action
Right Forearm Takeaway
Magic of the Right Forearm
Velocity vs Mass (How to Adjust the Sequenced Release)

Thats one serious undertaking. Im looking forward to seeing it, good luck D.