Eldrick Picture..good?bad? depends?

[Daryl]

Some say that vertical swing planes give higher rate of closure of the face in the impact zone (I haven't been able to make my mind on this statement) so maybe the "release low and left" is an anti-hook feature ?

It's true. The more Vertical the Plane, the faster the closing ratio. But that's easily evident if comparing a nine iron to a driver. It's also important, to understand, when playing the ball aft a few inches that the plane must steepen to accommodate the Angle of Approach.

I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.

[gmbtempe]

But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.

Its taken a long time for me to realized the accuracy of this statement.

[HungryBear]

First- after watching tw sunday. I think he has a personality change and no longer has the old DETERMINATION to win.

Second- In the most recent pix- his shaft starts a forward bend almost at parallel to the line and his right wrist is almost flat at impact. Proly nothing but faux lag left. Can't push a string- first law of engineering.

But what do I know. He must have great instructors that got him to where he is.

HB

[12 piece bucket]

It's true. The more Vertical the Plane, the faster the closing ratio. But that's easily evident if comparing a nine iron to a driver. It's also important, to understand, when playing the ball aft a few inches that the plane must steepen to accommodate the Angle of Approach.

I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.

Maybe....Eldrick's problem Sunday seemed to be all that freakin' shaft lean he had....they showed that junk on a swingvision and Eldrick had a WHOLE FREAKIN' BUNCH of shaft lean and Kostis about had to towel himself off....then Eldrick proceeded to air mail about four greens with short irons.....uh hello.....

Then he's trying to hold off the freakin' club and override the pulley...hits a shot and comes of shaking his freakin' wrist and it wasn't even in the rough....trigger delay DEATH...precisely my point on the original posting of this thread....

[Daryl]

Maybe....Eldrick's problem Sunday seemed to be all that freakin' shaft lean he had....they showed that junk on a swingvision and Eldrick had a WHOLE FREAKIN' BUNCH of shaft lean and Kostis about had to towel himself off....then Eldrick proceeded to air mail about four greens with short irons.....uh hello.....

Then he's trying to hold off the freakin' club and override the pulley...hits a shot and comes of shaking his freakin' wrist and it wasn't even in the rough....trigger delay DEATH...precisely my point on the original posting of this thread....

You're seeing something that I'm not catching. I admit that I limited my observation by focusing on Hinge Action because I thought that some of his errant shot may have been caused by swiveling - over or under. I don't think Hinging or Swiveling is his problem.

I watched every down the line slo-mo I could. I see a precision Dual Horz Hinge for all of his Iron shots. As far as I could tell, he was no better or worse than Phil when it came to Hinge action and pulley on Iron shots and they are both exceptionally elite players. Tiger hit a beautiful drive on 18. The slow mo again showed a perfect Hinge and Pulley.

As far as the pulley goes, if he's playing with that much shaft lean at Impact then he's playing the ball far enough aft that he's hardly entering the pulley before contact. I understand that doing so reduces the margin of error substantially because release point will affect clubface alignment.

His chipping and putting were way below his normal standard while Phil played at the very top of his ability. 11 stroke difference in 18 holes. Phil shredded Tiger. Tiger was obviously unraveled. He was losing it hole by hole and he knew he couldn't do anything about it. I give credit to Tiger, because if were him, after watching Phils' putt on 18, I'd be carried off the course on a stretcher.

I'd pay a thousand bucks to hear the next conversation between Tiger and Foley.

[12 piece bucket]

You're seeing something that I'm not catching. I admit that I limited my observation by focusing on Hinge Action because I thought that some of his errant shot may have been caused by swiveling - over or under. I don't think Hinging or Swiveling is his problem.

I watched every down the line slo-mo I could. I see a precision Dual Horz Hinge for all of his Iron shots. As far as I could tell, he was no better or worse than Phil when it came to Hinge action and pulley on Iron shots and they are both exceptionally elite players. Tiger hit a beautiful drive on 18. The slow mo again showed a perfect Hinge and Pulley.

As far as the pulley goes, if he's playing with that much shaft lean at Impact then he's playing the ball far enough aft that he's hardly entering the pulley before contact. I understand that doing so reduces the margin of error substantially because release point will affect clubface alignment.

His chipping and putting were way below his normal standard while Phil played at the very top of his ability. 11 stroke difference in 18 holes. Phil shredded Tiger. Tiger was obviously unraveled. He was losing it hole by hole and he knew he couldn't do anything about it. I give credit to Tiger, because if were him, after watching Phils' putt on 18, I'd be carried off the course on a stretcher.

I'd pay a thousand bucks to hear the next conversation between Tiger and Foley.

Distance control issues if you don't nail the appropriate amount of lean.....he air mailed a bunch of greens with short irons Sunday....







All that trigger delay and shaft lean is purty and all....but the ball is gonna go to far at times if your 9 iron turns into a 7 1/2 iron instead of an 8 iron that you expect....

[Daryl]

I don't see a problem with the Shaft Lean. In this case it's Ball Location and not an alignment flaw. "Geometry of the Circle". The farther Aft of Low Point the Ball is located, the more Shaft Lean.

It's clearly obvious that with each of these pictures that none of them align the Flying Wedges at 90 degrees. No 10-2-B, fine. So you don't need a 90 degree alignment to play Tournament Golf. But in each picture, it's their Right Forearm Wedge that's not Aligned and that means the #3 PP isn't sensing pressure for distance control. So, each uses the #2 PP (or #4). That's not as mechanically sound because the #2 PP will be released. But, it's not a swing contest.

I wouldn't recommend that for casual players like us because it requires you to sleep with your clubs.

Maybe as important as having good mechanical alignments is having your "Stars" aligned that day.

[HungryBear]

I will continue to argue that he has lost lag pressure before impact. Forward bend of the shaft contqains NO lag press. Lag extends to th first non lagging component. The back of the insert in this case. HK says this is the hardest to detect. TW slo mo driver pix provide that info. If it is thought that he is retaining lag, please show me the error in my conclusion.

Thanks
HB

[12 piece bucket]

I will continue to argue that he has lost lag pressure before impact. Forward bend of the shaft contqains NO lag press. Lag extends to th first non lagging component. The back of the insert in this case. HK says this is the hardest to detect. TW slo mo driver pix provide that info. If it is thought that he is retaining lag, please show me the error in my conclusion.

Thanks
HB

good gravy.....you are saying that a cat that can fly the ball 300 plus has lost lag pressure???? Oh boy.

[MizunoJoe]

I will continue to argue that he has lost lag pressure before impact. Forward bend of the shaft contqains NO lag press.
HB

The shaft kicks before impact in every properly fitted shaft. The trick is to get a flex that gives as a straight a shaft as possible at IMPACT for face control. As a general rule, too stiff and it kicks too early, too much flex and the head lags the shaft at impact holding the face open. In those photos of Woods, he hasn't lost lag pressure, the sweetspot is outrunning the shaft, but not his trigger finger(pp#3)!