I don't get the pissing away arm power comment??? I believe it should be the opposite.
Trust me I've done enough arguing between the original TGM website and this site to last a lifetime. No need to argue, the facts are out and golfers like Zach are winning tournaments at the highest level. Just checkout Mike Bender's book at your local Barnes and Noble. Remember Mac O'Grady is Mike's mentor!!! Ya no that Homer Kelley student! Oh BTW, per the April 1991 edition of Golf Illustrated, Golfer Jodie Mudd mentions two instructors who helped him keep his tour card and make him a complete player (Players Championship and Tour Championship winner), who were those two instructors....hmmmmm. Tom Tomasello and Mac O'Grady. Interesting!!!
What part of your post appears like a valid argument to you?
At some point you have to ask yourself why nobody is listening.
Im really interested in the way (s) the right arm can be used actively when swinging or hitting. A lot of pro's have said they use their right arm , or hand or ... Guys we don't think of as classic 3B Drive Loading Hitters. And they aren't.
What type of Right Arm throw did Tommy prescribe DG? Im talking about his Swinging procedure here. (And lets avoid whether he was swinging or hitting). Can you give us elbow position, pressure points employed , direction of loading (rotated or non lag pressure point), direction of thrust (against the #1 pp etc) , release type (sequenced or simu) grip type etc... Not meant as a test or anything I just really want to know. I sort of collect these things. I collect Throws! Like other guys collect butterflies or collector plates. They are illusive , the Throws are. Hard to articulate unless one speaks the TGM language. Even then ... there are problems with feels vs reals etc. You get guys describing things that I personally don't think they actually do etc. The right elbow position is very telling. The simu vs sequenced is telling. But i digress.
When Im Hitting Im typically
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
There are options of course.
PS when Im swinging (passive right arm for me) my components are similar with the exception that : Right ARm throw changes to Left Wrist and Simu changes to Sequenced. My Pivot throws off the left arm and throws out the bent right arm (the right arm is always driving).
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
That's neither pure nor 4-barrel Hitting, it's a left arm Swing using the right forearm as a slap-hinge which can be done with the right elbow in front of the right hip or behind it. In Hitting there is no throw, you push the right forearm through impact with the right triceps manually uncocking the left wrist with muscle power.
Im really interested in the way (s) the right arm can be used actively when swinging or hitting. A lot of pro's have said they use their right arm , or hand or ... Guys we don't think of as classic 3B Drive Loading Hitters. And they aren't.
What type of Right Arm throw did Tommy prescribe DG? Im talking about his Swinging procedure here. (And lets avoid whether he was swinging or hitting). Can you give us elbow position, pressure points employed , direction of loading (rotated or non lag pressure point), direction of thrust (against the #1 pp etc) , release type (sequenced or simu) grip type etc... Not meant as a test or anything I just really want to know. I sort of collect these things. I collect Throws! Like other guys collect butterflies or collector plates. They are illusive , the Throws are. Hard to articulate unless one speaks the TGM language. Even then ... there are problems with feels vs reals etc. You get guys describing things that I personally don't think they actually do etc. The right elbow position is very telling. The simu vs sequenced is telling. But i digress.
When Im Hitting Im typically
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
There are options of course.
PS when Im swinging (passive right arm for me) my components are similar with the exception that : Right ARm throw changes to Left Wrist and Simu changes to Sequenced. My Pivot throws off the left arm and throws out the bent right arm (the right arm is always driving).
It's on the Tomasello videos he used both forearms for swinging and right forearm for hitting. Combination trigger with both forearms gets a 10-24-E release. 270 to 300 yard drives. With the videos on this site, Tommy doesn't speak much in TGM terms. But I have videos, were Tommy does and he knew book inside and out. He gave group Golfing Machine Schools where he went through the whole book page by page. What AIs have the balls to do that!!!
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-15-2012 at 11:03 PM.
Originally Posted by HungryBear
Read 6th edition, 7-19, last paragraph, ....So, if there is a twinge in the elbow..
HB
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
I have been swinging with the right arm for over 15 years never felt a twinge in my right elbow.
DG
That's because your right elbow does not replace your left shoulder.
Additionally, Yoda has stated that Tom was not teaching a right arm swing.
Let's review,
1. Homer is wrong.
2. Lynn is wrong.
3. Tom's interpretations of Homer and the machine are correct.
4. DG's interpretation of Tomasello, Homer and the machine are all correct.
5. DG is unable to demonstrate a valid argument.
Let's face it, Zach is a poster child for pissing away 'arm power'.
Bumpy
On the Chapter Series of videos Tommy is not teaching a right arm swing, but checkout his Golf Illustrated interview and the letter series of videos. If it's a 2/3/4 accumulator swing and Tommy is using his forearms to accelerate the club, why would it be considered a 2/3/4 swing?
Hybrid Mode
