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Old 02-08-2013, 11:24 AM
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Monitor the pivot as well because the swingers horizontal hinge is created by the orbiting arms and the turning torso not by the hands themselves...
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:00 PM
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Hands
Thanks Whip, you are certainly correct. I was
referring to educated hands staying on plane.
I am still thinking about the hinge Pin. In Yodas
hinge board the board and pin are fixed in one place.
The hinge does what a hinge does, open and close. Same
for a hinge mounted on a door frame. The hinge board
nor the door frame do not appear to move over and back to the left to accommodate the opening. I would think that the flange
on the hinge pin would open to accommodate opening. Maintaining
the hing assembly on the left shoulder, as it goes around,
appears to me, that the hinge board or door frame would have
to move. Thanks for your input. Donn
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:10 PM
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When presented with the concept of hinge action, which concerns the alignment of the left wrist through impact, you have to understand that any motion cannot be borne from a visualisation from the mind. If you create a fiction of reality, you are suffering under delusion. When the mind focuses inward, it is creating this image out of memory from the past and it distracts you from what is happening in the present which means you are no longer aware of reality in the present. If you cannot see what is real, you cannot adapt to your environment.

Focus on the left wrist in practice if you wish to improve it. Experience what is real without the cycle of intransigence. Look for new experiences but don't sacrifice reality. Don't codify it into a verbal representation or mantra.
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:40 PM
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That explains a lot of my problems!
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When presented with the concept of hinge action, which concerns the alignment of the left wrist through impact, you have to understand that any motion cannot be borne from a visualisation from the mind. If you create a fiction of reality, you are suffering under delusion. When the mind focuses inward, it is creating this image out of memory from the past and it distracts you from what is happening in the present which means you are no longer aware of reality in the present. If you cannot see what is real, you cannot adapt to your environment.

Focus on the left wrist in practice if you wish to improve it. Experience what is real without the cycle of intransigence. Look for new experiences but don't sacrifice reality. Don't codify it into a verbal representation or mantra.
Nicely said by everyone!

May I add that the "Forward Press" has been very instructive to me as of late esp. with a frozen, Bent Right Wrist after the press?

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Old 02-13-2013, 07:33 PM
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Meditation, I understand, the objects in the mirror
are closer that they are. Donn
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:10 PM
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Meditation, I understand... Donn
I do not, could you please tranlate for me?
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:48 PM
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Meditation, I understand, the objects in the mirror
are closer that they are. Donn
Are you feeling okay?
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:31 PM
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Feeing Fine
Mediation, I am doing fine but will probably
get over it. Thanks for your email. Donn
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:11 PM
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About the left hand but not by the left hand
IMO , in regard to the human golfer as opposed to the model or machine of 1-L , rolling the entire Primary Lever (left arm and club) with a Flat Left Wrist places the Hinge Pin at the connection point between left arm and body..... the left shoulder. The hinge pin is at the end of the lever , the end of the radius. If the lever breaks in half , the hinge loses control of the clubface .

Also, while the left hand (as clubface) is moved in a manner so it remains in a perpendicular alignment to one of the three basic planes (vertical, horizontal or somewhere in between aka angled) it is not moved by the left hand. Its a left hand alignment , but its not created, motivated , powered by the left hand . Something a lot of guys get wrong when attempting , manipulating various hinge actions.

Talking full shots here. When putting you could place the hinge pin at the hands (Arnie style, Zone 3 only putting) or at the Pivot Centre (zone 1 only putting) ...... or misguidedly or more likely out of ignorance , in some combination of Zones , 1,2 and 3 (Michelle Wie's putting used to look zone 1 and 3 ish to my eye, pivot stroke with a breaking left hand). But for full shots with a straight left arm through the ball , the hinge pin is in the left shoulder, given a flat left wrist. If the left wrist breaks , the club face goes with it.

Speaking of old school Zone 3 only putting ....didnt some of those guys anchor their hands? Hmmmm...... need our rules official Kev Carter to come in and make a ruling.

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Old 02-17-2013, 01:08 PM
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Hello 0.B. Thanks for you insight. On the putting side
I seem to remember V.J. talking about the same thing.
For long shots, my concern has been the hinge (using a
hinge device, as suggested by Yoda) rotating around with
the left shoulder instead of around the hinge pin. If I
try to maintain the hinge on the left shoulder, this appears
to be what is happening. When Yoda demonstrates, his wooden
hinge device, he does not move the whole device around, outward, on the back swing. The device stays in the same spot and the club portion rotates around the hinge pin. I have been trying to use
the hinge so that I can get exact tracing and a single action
wrist action on the back stroke. I would certainly appreciate
your thoughts. Donn
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