My specific question is whether the right hip is cleared by the right forearm pickup..... As long as you specify - CORRECT (correct being on your chosen plane) right forearm pickup, the answer is YES, YES, and more YES. That is the hand controlled pivot. Note the word controlled. Not just that the hands are imprortant, but they actually control or dictate (per 5-0). If you are determined to trace your chosen plane line, the right hip simply must clear - clear meaning move or get out the way. Dictation by the hands means a perfect pivot - no more or less movement for your machine (that must remain stable) than necessary.
If you wanted to pre clear the right hip, you could trace the plane line (right forearm pickup) in a "practice" right forearm pickup and just keep the hip in the cleared position.
Nice post and description . . . how about a similar explanation on the Downstroke?
I once saw an old video of Mr. Kelley teaching a few guys... and they were working on this pre-turned right hip, on the backswing. Tom Tomasello used to teach this sometimes, as well a Peter Croker. They would kind of blend it in there, where it was not as obvious. With Mr. Kelley's guys on this film, you could clearly see this.
The book does, of course, give options on the backswing, for the hips... Slide Turn, Delayed Hip Action, etc..
Dear Lagster,
As with Homer's "hands controlled pivot", it is a correct "pushing" from the pressure points in the hands that controls the "hip action" and causes the right arm to clear the right hip without interference on the way down and also controls the hands path on the backswing so that the pivot action does not "pull' the club too much off path to the inside.
I find the "hands controlled pivot more effective to manage for most golfers.
As with Homer's "hands controlled pivot", it is a correct "pushing" from the pressure points in the hands that controls the "hip action" and causes the right arm to clear the right hip without interference on the way down and also controls the hands path on the backswing so that the pivot action does not "pull' the club too much off path to the inside.
I find the "hands controlled pivot more effective to manage for most golfers.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Peter
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Good to hear from you Peter!
Pushing... is usually associated with Hitting in TGM, as you know. Would you say your teaching is a Hitting Procedure? I attended one of your seminars in Orlando in around 1993 or '94. I did very well with it for a while, but started to get too sweepish eventually.
...This man can really strike the ball well... if any of you don't already know. I believe he finished 2nd or so in the Australian P.G.A. one year.
Peter and I got together in the Atlanta Airport earlier this year. I was headed out west for our LBG Academy at Las Vegas Paiute Golf Resort and he was headed down south to Miami for a cruise with his daughter. Knowing that our paths were crossing, we made this meeting happen 'on purpose.'
We had a couple of hours together -- enough to get to know one another and still talk a lot of golf -- and determined that there should be more to come.
Would a pre hip bump (1-2" left hip bump at address) with a centered head be an acceptable option for pre clearing the right hip? I've been fooling around with it at my practice net with good results. Feels a little stack and tiltish. Seems impossible to hit fat.
Would a pre hip bump (1-2" left hip bump at address) with a centered head be an acceptable option for pre clearing the right hip? I've been fooling around with it at my practice net with good results. Feels a little stack and tiltish. Seems impossible to hit fat.
Very, very acceptable.
Now, could you practice that 10,000 times so that you'll never ever forget it?
Would a pre hip bump (1-2" left hip bump at address) with a centered head be an acceptable option for pre clearing the right hip? I've been fooling around with it at my practice net with good results. Feels a little stack and tiltish. Seems impossible to hit fat.
Daryl is the man, and certainly doesn't need my approval.
I feel compelled to add that his answer was perfect. I was lucky enough to spend a day with YODA this summer, and we worked on that very thing. You may have a little hip bump, in fact YODA recommends it for hitters, and still maintain hands controlled pivot.
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Would a pre hip bump (1-2" left hip bump at address) with a centered head be an acceptable option for pre clearing the right hip? I've been fooling around with it at my practice net with good results. Feels a little stack and tiltish. Seems impossible to hit fat.
Do you mean you are pre setting or turning the right hip with an additional sliding of the hips towards the target? Or just the slide without the turn back? Yoda does the latter with mid irons anyways. If my memory serves me correctly he described it as being a 10-9-C Half and Half Address Position where the Body is in its Impact position and the Hands are in their Standard Address position and condition (bent right , flat left). Something he has added to my game as well. From there I personally clear the right hip prior to startup, actively, early, forcefully.
Another thing on right hip clearing from Yoda. You have to do it twice! You turn the right hip back prior to or during Startup, then in Startdown you need to Slide the hips towards the target with a Delayed Hip turn to clear even more room for the Right Elbow. 10-14-B SLIDE HIP TURN. There are Trigger Delay advantages to this too as the Right Elbow not only has an inside path to the ball but can also now be pulled by the Pivot or Shoulders into a deep position near or in front of the ball prior to any elbow unbending.
Per 12-3-0, point 13, the last point in Section 3 Adjusted Address. "Forward Press-Clear Right Hip". RFT isnt until point 17 in Section 4 Startup. Point 24, the last point of Section 6 The Top and prior to Section 7 Startdown reads "Clear Right Hip". So its in there twice and they are slightly different to my understanding.
I hope Yoda corrects me if I have misrepresented any of his teachings.
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