I may invite a firestorm of controversy, but I think hitting is "superior" on and around the greens (please allow for my own psychological needs.) I'm not sure how much centrifugal force you can apply to say a 20 yard chip shot...there is simply not a great deal of CF in effect. However, with extensor action and a very marked #3 PP and #1 Acc. you can exercise a great deal of control on short shots.
I am all for an integrated stroke pattern tee to green, but my lab work (ok, the local driving range) suggests more structure is required the closer I get to the hole. Initially, I was disappointed, but now I see the beauty of it. I free wheel (akin to shooting skeet or quail) until I get into the scoring zone (akin to what a Marine sniper does best...Hoorah!) The weakness of this is the bane of every and any procedure, it will not serve us all. Therein lies the genius of Homer Kelley...he essentially took care of ALL of us. I marvel at the likes of Yoda, YodasLuke and Annikan (there are many others using this site, no doubt) who can not only diagnose but accurately prescribe without fear of malpractice!
First of all . . . NEVER pay any attention to Mike O . . . he's an opportunist pot stirring probably pot smoking sitting on the pot nymrod perverted cow tipping mouth breathing corner rocking retard. He could careless about this thread and is only chucking molotov cocktails in our little romper room. That's first . . . .
SECOND . . . you have latched on to it . . . the book is written based on 10-2-B assumptions . . . his grip is 10-2-D . . . .he is in fact throwing the clubface at the ball. With 10-2-D . . . NEVER NEVER NEVER any rolling until after impact
10-2-D . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impac
THIRD . . . . I see absolutely NO evidence of throwaway in his motion.
Just because you are on to me- doesn't mean that I'm going to stop! Let's just agree to agree- that you don't pay attention to my posts and I don't pay attention to your posts. By the way- don't you think you should clean the keyboard once in a while- I mean look down- no really look down - see all that crap deep in the keyboard- the grease, the chicken, boogers, fingernails, - man you are a mess!
Not so much to disagree with you (Well that is kind of enjoyable)- but more to agree with Daryl- I think he's right on in his analysis of Sergio's throwaway i.e. the quick breakdown after impact. So it's not so much "de-lagging accumulators" as a correction ( I think I read that one of his teachers was working on that or someone commented on that in the media) but creating a situation where he maintains "clubhead lag" past impact- whether that be delagging accumulators - or something else or a combination of things. Great Player! But unless you are winning every tournament - I believe you try to get better and look for where you can improve- If it was my swing ( I wish) then that's an area that looks like it could need improvement. Would really be tough to change a pattern like that- you'd really need to be motivated.
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I may invite a firestorm of controversy, but I think hitting is "superior" on and around the greens (please allow for my own psychological needs.) I'm not sure how much centrifugal force you can apply to say a 20 yard chip shot...there is simply not a great deal of CF in effect. However, with extensor action and a very marked #3 PP and #1 Acc. you can exercise a great deal of control on short shots.
I am all for an integrated stroke pattern tee to green, but my lab work (ok, the local driving range) suggests more structure is required the closer I get to the hole. Initially, I was disappointed, but now I see the beauty of it. I free wheel (akin to shooting skeet or quail) until I get into the scoring zone (akin to what a Marine sniper does best...Hoorah!) The weakness of this is the bane of every and any procedure, it will not serve us all. Therein lies the genius of Homer Kelley...he essentially took care of ALL of us. I marvel at the likes of Yoda, YodasLuke and Annikan (there are many others using this site, no doubt) who can not only diagnose but accurately prescribe without fear of malpractice!
Okie,
I'm sure both techniques would work. I still go thru periods where I let a little CF do the work ...... I think it stems from being a swinger..... it just naturally progresses into all aspects of my game. However, I do find I gravitate to hitting more and more in the short game. If nothing else you FEEL like your more in control of everything, and it seems a bit easier to mete out varying levels of "thrust" or lag pressure when hitting.
As far as putting.... I tried push basic and it just didn't work for me. I've gone more to more of a pendulum motion as put forth by Geoff Mangum. If you haven't seen his site.... www.theputtingzone.com it's worth a look. Some really good info on alignment, aiming, etc... regardless of the stroke techniques employed. Very "science based" information.... a nice complement to TGM.
Bucket,
Thank you for forcing me to think. I understand the Release Motions better than I ever had before this thread and it has helped clear the fog on many related issues. It’s true, you get out of it what you put into it.
I'm sure both techniques would work. I still go thru periods where I let a little CF do the work ...... I think it stems from being a swinger..... it just naturally progresses into all aspects of my game. However, I do find I gravitate to hitting more and more in the short game. If nothing else you FEEL like your more in control of everything, and it seems a bit easier to mete out varying levels of "thrust" or lag pressure when hitting.
CG
I agree 100%. I think exactly the same way about it. For me, inside 50 Yards is Hitting. I can swing from 5 yards, but what's the use? Hitting is a sure thing.
I think you may have found the error in my thinking. Please look at post #46 in this thread. I said that Sergios Wrists are Cocked and His Clubface is pointing at the Plane Line, and maybe I’m wrong to say it’s pointing at the Ball. This may be where I'm making a mistake.
My understanding of the Sequenced Release Motion is that the #3 Acc (Hand Motion – Clubface control) is preceded by the #2 Acc (Wrist Motion - Clubhead). In Sergios case, as this Picture illustrates, His Left Wrist looks Flat to me, with a 10-2-D Grip. I guess at the 10-2-D grip because his Clubface is facing the Plane Line when his Left Wrist is Flat. I’m saying that His Clubface is (in dummied down Golf vernacular) square to the Ball. If that’s true, then he won’t need to Swivel into Impact (he only needs the Pivot to Roll the #3). He is using Simultaneous Release (Right hand Paddlewheel). Additionally, I have been trying (but failed) to say that he cannot unCock and Roll on the same Planeline if he tries to Sequence the Release.
Sergio is Swinging only because his is not using Right Arm Thrust. Sergio also Cocks Both Wrists.
If someone can put all of this together, like I have (misguided perhaps), then it becomes clear that Sergio is 10-2-D, Angle Hinging, Controlled Throwaway Swinger, 165 pounds, wins Millions, and gets all the Girls.
I see in general what you are saying now - no longer confused based on your description. I'd like to post more but I'm working on submitting demolishing plans for someone's house- I'm not saying who- It could be any house in North Carolina- certainly not inferring any particular poster on this forum- well OK they could be a poster on this forum- well more of an imposter posing as a poster- at least based on what I have seen. Enough said need to go.
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Just because you are on to me- doesn't mean that I'm going to stop! Let's just agree to agree- that you don't pay attention to my posts and I don't pay attention to your posts. By the way- don't you think you should clean the keyboard once in a while- I mean look down- no really look down - see all that crap deep in the keyboard- the grease, the chicken, boogers, fingernails, - man you are a mess!
Not so much to disagree with you (Well that is kind of enjoyable)- but more to agree with Daryl- I think he's right on in his analysis of Sergio's throwaway i.e. the quick breakdown after impact. So it's not so much "de-lagging accumulators" as a correction ( I think I read that one of his teachers was working on that or someone commented on that in the media) but creating a situation where he maintains "clubhead lag" past impact- whether that be delagging accumulators - or something else or a combination of things. Great Player! But unless you are winning every tournament - I believe you try to get better and look for where you can improve- If it was my swing ( I wish) then that's an area that looks like it could need improvement. Would really be tough to change a pattern like that- you'd really need to be motivated.
Puuuuuuuhleeeeeezeeeee . . . .Why would you WANT to change a pattern like that???? Almost to a man those cats on tour say he's the best ball striker out there. That dude needs a brain adjustment more than a swing adjustment.
You'd better push the crack pipe further back under the car seat or you'll be back in the joint dropping the soap on purpose again.
Y'all are AMAZING! This is one of the best swings on the planet.
"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he could not have been concealed in the room, as there is no concealment possible. When, then, did he come?"
Dear Mr. Watson,
We agree on the Definition of Clubhead Throwaway. However, you are under the mistaken belief that if his Left Wrist looks Flat and Primary Lever looks intact at the point of impact then he passes the acid test for clubhead Throwaway and may collect $200.00 and pass Go and not go to Jail. I, on the other hand, believe that if his Clubshaft becomes inline with his Right Forearm at any time before or immediately following impact that he exhibits the illness “Clubhead Throwaway”. His swing includes the Process of Throwing The Clubhead Away. I simply point out that the Ball got in the way before too much damage was done. Hense: “Controlled Clubhead Throwaway”. Furthermore, and this is an important concept, If he throws the clubhead away, he has not used a Hinge. Hmm? Fry that.
Post #23, Line #1 “Here's sequenced release for sure . . .” Came from your computer. So whether you said it or not, your computer communicated that comment to the Servers at LBG and the Servers at LBG included this statement in the Thread you wrote. Watch your back. I don’t trust computers.
PS. Pretty Italian Catholic Nuns, Drink beer and play Golf with Bucket and Daryl. Daryl and Bucket take advantage of them because of yardage distance and win Church money. Bucket and Daryl play Golf in High Heat on crappy courses for Eternity. I'd rather lose to the Pros. Please reconsider.
OK you got me on #23 . . . but that's not the point of my comparison . . . if you and Mike O are going to "de-lag" Sergio and "de-controlled throwaway" him . . . He'll be crying 'cause he couldn't get through second stage three years from now.
If Sergio's "controlled throwaway" then Zach is "controlled steering" . . .
I think Mike O got thrown out of a daycare for wearing a gorilla mask and a nun's get-up . . . with no pants. Hey Mike! You know any crackhead nun's?
OK you got me on #23 . . . but that's not the point of my comparison . . . if you and Mike O are going to "de-lag" Sergio and "de-controlled throwaway" him . . . He'll be crying 'cause he couldn't get through second stage three years from now.
If Sergio's "controlled throwaway" then Zach is "controlled steering" . . .
I think Mike O got thrown out of a daycare for wearing a gorilla mask and a nun's get-up . . . with no pants. Hey Mike! You know any crackhead nun's?
"Controlled Steering"? 190 pounds at 120 MPH? How do you Steer That?
"Controlled Steering"? 190 pounds at 120 MPH? How do you Steer That?
My exact point on Sergio . . . 150 lbs at 120 mph . . . with the club that high up from the ball . .. it don't matter what happens much after it's gone when the club is coming down from angle that steep. He'd have to do something major retarded with his hands or his pivot to flip under it.
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