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Old 05-20-2008, 11:29 AM
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Is Hogan a swinger or switter?
I have always perceived Hogan to have a swinger's action, and therefore imagined that he uses a triple barrel stroke pattern (4,2,3). According to HK, a swinger doesn't use power accumulator #1 actively as a power source and one doesn't hit with the right hand in the sense of palmar flexing the right wrist during the downswing.

However, consider Hogan's comments in his book "Five Lessons".

On page 93, he states -: "What do the hands do? The answer is they do nothing active until after the arms have moved on the downswing to a position just above the level of the hips." That statement implies something "active" is going to happen to the hands after the club reaches the delivery position.

Then on page 99, he writes-: "On a full shot you want to hit the ball as hard as you can with your right hand." On page 101 he writes-: "As far as supplying power goes, I wish I had three right hands!" Those two statements imply active right hand action. However, what could he mean by implying active right hand action? He obviously didn't straighten his right wrist through impact, so he wasn't using wrist palmar flexor power. Could he have been releasing power accumulator #1 actively?

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Old 05-20-2008, 12:00 PM
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I have always perceived Hogan to have a swinger's action, and therefore imagined that he uses a triple barrel stroke pattern (4,2,3). According to HK, a swinger doesn't use power accumulator #1 actively as a power source and one doesn't hit with the right hand in the sense of palmar flexing the right wrist during the downswing.

However, consider Hogan's comments in his book "Five Lessons".

On page 93, he states -: "What do the hands do? The answer is they do nothing active until after the arms have moved on the downswing to a position just above the level of the hips." That statement implies something "active" is going to happen to the hands after the club reaches the delivery position.

Then on page 99, he writes-: "On a full shot you want to hit the ball as hard as you can with your right hand." On page 101 he writes-: "As far as supplying power goes, I wish I had three right hands!" Those two statements imply active right hand action. However, what could he mean by implying active right hand action? He obviously didn't straighten his right wrist through impact, so he wasn't using wrist palmar flexor power. Could he have been releasing power accumulator #1 actively?

Jeff.
I'd say Hogan was an Arc of Approach Manipulated Hands Swinger with lots of #3 accumulator angle. So the arc he swings on is pretty "wide" and his plane angle is flat. As a result he got his right arm into it more to keep the club on the flat plane and swinging on the arc. You'll notice how "in" his hands are on both sides of the ball. People talk about how "left" Hogan swings through the ball. He swings pretty much IN on the backstroke too.

If you'll notice in any down the line footage you have Hogan keeps the butt of the club really low through the ball. There's probably some forces from the right arm working their to keep the butt low.

There's definitely some differences in Hogan's release vs. Els . . . check this footage. As a result their right arms are probably working differently . . . which impacts the rate of closure in the face. Hogan built his swing to not have the ball go left . . . which goes with lots of #3 angle and a flattish plane.



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Sensing such strong Clubhead Lag can give one the impression that you need more support in their Right Hand and #3 PP to sustain the feel through Impact.
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:03 PM
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Sensing such strong Clubhead Lag can give one the impression that you need more support in their Right Hand and #3 PP to sustain the feel through Impact.

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Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
I have always perceived Hogan to have a swinger's action, and therefore imagined that he uses a triple barrel stroke pattern (4,2,3). According to HK, a swinger doesn't use power accumulator #1 actively as a power source and one doesn't hit with the right hand in the sense of palmar flexing the right wrist during the downswing.

However, consider Hogan's comments in his book "Five Lessons".

On page 93, he states -: "What do the hands do? The answer is they do nothing active until after the arms have moved on the downswing to a position just above the level of the hips." That statement implies something "active" is going to happen to the hands after the club reaches the delivery position.

Then on page 99, he writes-: "On a full shot you want to hit the ball as hard as you can with your right hand." On page 101 he writes-: "As far as supplying power goes, I wish I had three right hands!" Those two statements imply active right hand action. However, what could he mean by implying active right hand action? He obviously didn't straighten his right wrist through impact, so he wasn't using wrist palmar flexor power. Could he have been releasing power accumulator #1 actively?

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Hogan was in control of the cf in his action this enabled him to add as much right hand hit as he wanted...so switter
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:44 AM
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Can you provide some solid evidence that Hogan hit with his right hand? When did he hit, and how did he hit with the right hand?

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Old 05-23-2008, 10:02 AM
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To suggest Hogan as a hitter or switter I think most people refer to the statement from Hogan himself that he wished he had more than one (three I think he said)of them...right hands that is. Far from conclusive, I know
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Old 05-23-2008, 10:21 AM
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Hogan was in control of the cf in his action this enabled him to add as much right hand hit as he wanted...so switter
Why is Hogan's right arm so bent at impact?
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 05-23-2008, 10:23 AM
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To suggest Hogan as a hitter or switter I think most people refer to the statement from Hogan himself that he wished he had more than one (three I think he said)of them...right hands that is. Far from conclusive, I know
If Gregg McHatton walked around screaming he was a hitter I'd tell him he's got a good sense of humor.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 05-23-2008, 10:25 AM
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Can you provide some solid evidence that Hogan hit with his right hand? When did he hit, and how did he hit with the right hand?

Jeff.
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This is just my opinion based on what Hogan said about 3 right hand. i base my opinion on the position of the right hand being in an uncocked position in follow through. I see this as a result of his ability to control or "fight" the cf action on his left wrist all the way to impact and then over power it with the right hand working in a "karate chop" move. i know this goes against tgm principles and the notions of physics just my view
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