From a little something I wrote based on an article my chiropractor gave me a about spinal injury due to rotation.
"The Golfing Machine by Homer Kelley teaches that there are four sources of power in the golf swing, known as Power Accumulators- or Power Sources- none of which are based on torso rotation.
The turning of the body, "pivot", should be a reaction to where the hands need to go. This is referred to as a "hand controlled pivot" in The Golfing Machine. Many teachers believe that the rotation of the body controls the hands. This is fine if you want to hit less than your maximum distance potential and create room for injury.
The geometry and physics of the golf swing, studied by all Authorized Instructors of The Golfing Machine, dictates that the hands always have a destination. Give your hands an assignment, where to go and what to do, then have them complete that assignment. The body should play a supporting role, and not vice-versa."
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
From a little something I wrote based on an article my chiropractor gave me a about spinal injury due to rotation.
"The Golfing Machine by Homer Kelley teaches that there are four sources of power in the golf swing, known as Power Accumulators- or Power Sources- none of which are based on torso rotation.
The turning of the body, "pivot", should be a reaction to where the hands need to go. This is referred to as a "hand controlled pivot" in The Golfing Machine. Many teachers believe that the rotation of the body controls the hands. This is fine if you want to hit less than your maximum distance potential and create room for injury.
The geometry and physics of the golf swing, studied by all Authorized Instructors of The Golfing Machine, dictates that the hands always have a destination. Give your hands an assignment, where to go and what to do, then have them complete that assignment. The body should play a supporting role, and not vice-versa."
What measured data does the chiropractor have to support his beliefs.
I'm T.G.M all they way I love homers work, the day I was introduced to golf I was taught educated hands, but my weakness was human body motion.
My body didn't fire in the right sequence in order for the mechanics to be executed correctly, I can shot par on my ear. what let me down is not being able to 4 rounds of 68 on my ear. This was due to incorrect human body motion.
We need the world of mechanics and I'm so happy we have yoda , mike and have homer who gives us understanding of mechanics.
This is the world of mechanics and there is another world human body motion,
how can mechanics be executed correctly when human body motion isn't performing they way it should in order for mechanics work.
Homer states 6-M-1 that is the downswing sequence.
you can have the best educated hands on the planet but with out the human body motion , moving in the correct sequence educated hands will never happen.
In every all bat and ball sports, throwing a ball is the same sequence in kinetic linking.
This isn't from he said , she said, a form of opinions, this is developed from measured science.
Bear in mind you talking about mechanics a different world to human body motion.
My question is I don't question homers work he's on the money. But I question how people deliver what he's says and if they truly understand his work.
They may understand the mechanics but how well do they understand the human body motion in order to work.
Why hasn't there been a world number 1 golfer who's T.G.M student, why isn't T.G.M students dominating golf on tour ?
I believe it's the communication of homers work. And lack of knowledge how human body motion functions.
Video can't measure human body motion, nor can ball flight. I think we all need to get realistic, We need homer, we also need human body motion.
Last edited by biomechanic : 11-04-2008 at 03:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by biomechanic
What measured data does the chiropractor have to support his beliefs.
I'm T.G.M all they way I love homers work, the day I was introduced to golf I was taught educated hands, but my weakness was human body motion.
My body didn't fire in the right sequence in order for the mechanics to be executed correctly, I can shot par on my ear. what let me down is not being able to 4 rounds of 68 on my ear. This was due to incorrect human body motion. Do not see the connection. You are able to shot par on your ear. Should mean that you could do it 4 rounds also. Are you saying that due to your incorrect motion you could not go under par?
We need the world of mechanics and I'm so happy we have yoda , mike and have homer who gives us understanding of mechanics.
This is the world of mechanics and there is another world human body motion,
how can mechanics be executed correctly when human body motion isn't performing they way it should in order for mechanics work.
Homer states 6-M-1 that is the downswing sequence.
you can have the best educated hands on the planet but with out the human body motion , moving in the correct sequence educated hands will never happen.One could also focus on the 4 periods of acceleration in the 12 sections which go hand in hand with the 3 zones, which starts with zone 1 (Body Control/Pivot/Body/Balance) where components 12 to 17 are included. I mean, Homer did put in chapter 10 for some reason. Having your current knowledge must surely speed up the process of spotting out which component is not compatible.
Yeah sure, Chapter 10 is perhaps not perfect from a biomechanial point of view, but nevertheless a start
In every all bat and ball sports, throwing a ball is the same sequence in kinetic linking.
This isn't from he said , she said, a form of opinions, this is developed from measured science.Absolutely. The thing I have in the incubator is the difference between all sports mentioned and golf. How is/Will the sequence be affected due to that the object we are trying to move rests still on the ground. In other sports the object is moving which makes the motion more of "responding/reactive" to it.
What is your experience on this?
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Don't get me wrong as far as mechanics goes, Homers a legend in my eyes and measuring up with biomechanics, he's got the goods as well. Homer actually blows my mind, to have spent 27 years and to create this book is amazing achievement and how he figured 6-M-1 blows me out of the water, amazing.
I teach use to teach T.G.M myself, but my experience I have had students on video look flawless on video but can't break 80, but after screening them, it had nothing to do with mechanics it was their body motion, incorrect pivot speeds, had no muscular loading, incorrect kinetic sequence which video couldn't pick up. Once I fixed their human motion they can break 80 week in week out.
I now stepped out of the world of coaching and into human motion you can't combine both, this leads confusion to everyone.
So I've gone down a new road of human body motion and trained in this field.
But here is a little story in O.Z i was crowned to be the next Greg Norman, I could play in my day, two weeks before I was to fly out and play European tour I was crushed between to front enloaders, I spent four years learning to walk again.Doing Hydro therapy,pyhsio therapy in and out of hospitals. Last march I pick up my sticks in birth of a come back, I shot 108 first round back and 7 months later shot par, I could shot under par but not consistently enough, I had a block right we couldn't answer, this damaged my score every time, And was only maybe once or twice a round. Most times I threw in compensations to combat it. I went to G.S.E.D they had no answers , wasn't until I was screened till I found out what caused my problem wasn't mechanics.It was my start down sequence and ever so slight ,video could pick it up and also muscular loading, my hips weren't moving properly either which caused the block. I fixed my body motion and now I can go out and shot under par on my ear.
With out homer of human body motion this would not have been achievable.
I'm a Sport clinician(biomechanist) I measure all sports, no wires or sensors and use equal to the top of the range 6 dof vicon system. we measure ,running,any throwing sport, any kicking a ball sport, tennis,baseball,softball,volleyball,soccer,golf,cy cling,polo,track and field.
We can measure any sport even polo.
The amazing thing is in most sports even golf the kinetic linking is the same sequence, on video this may not appear to present what happens but this is what occurs when measuring human body motion
I worked with T.P.I for a while to discover they are stepping into the mechanically work which isn't what biomechanics is about, it's about human motion. And this is giving every one the wrong perception of biomechanics, who do they think they are walking into a world of mechanics,
I know from inside knowledge they are way off the eight ball especially with mechanics, there data is way off the eight ball, I have hitters and according to their data this was wrong, why ?all they can measure is swinging, but this data is way off too. And this is why they aren't getting results and I left incorrect data and hitters were getting destroyed cause they were trying to change them to swinging and to make things worse incorrect data . not good.
The company I'm with is all for Hitting and swinging, We love homers work, he's the man.
If I have a student who has a mechanical issue I would send them to yoda or you or dart in oz. this is their department. Not mine I'm human body motion not mechanics. For example if your hip pivot isn't accelerating of declerating correctly I teach students how to do this. Stuff that isn't measurable by mechanics.
Lets be honest here, have you ever had a player who looks great on video but can't hit or you can't work out why? The answer is there are no faults their mechanics are perfect, it's human body motion which is the problem.
I think this is the missing link to homers work and unfortunately homer wasn't around long enough but I'm sure he would have teamed up with our world.
Homer is 100% pure with mechanics and I admire the man and love his work.
His work helped me understand the world I'm in, when a coaches comes to me I can speak homers lingo to help them combine mechanics with human body motion, it awesome, god bless homer
Last edited by biomechanic : 11-04-2008 at 09:32 AM.
[quote=biomechanic;57317]What measured data does the chiropractor have to support his beliefs.
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Seaman Dr. Back pain in golfers: etiology and prevention. Journal of Sports Chiropractic & Rehabilitation, June 1998; 12(2), pp45-54.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
The relevance is that a well known chiropractor did his research on spinal injury due to excessive rotation. If you want to look up his credentials and research methods that's up to you.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
When you see Dr Seaman next ask him who helped with his research on his book on Backswing Dynamics and biomechanics
Where did he get his research from and who did this for him .
The boys I work with helped him with potential injury they did his research he got all this information from our biomedical engineer.
Now I have an understanding, I never said you need a huge shoulders turn and huge hip rotations, I'm well aware of potential injury we measure potential injury and I agree with you. I know huge shoulders rotation and huge hip turns caused huge injuries, but educated hands won't prevent this.
Learning muscular loading and the right body motion for each body segment
does.
People who have these problems is caused by poor body motion and haven't been taught how to acceleration and deceleration each body segment right.
Nor how to load their muscles correctly.
Most people have this problem from the perception of zone 1 and the perception the hips clears left, they don't clear left as much as we think. they don't turn as much as we believe. Plus this is a lack of understands the purpose of the hips in the golfswing and upper body
This is my point here, why does homer speak About 6-m-1,
what is the purpose of this ?
Zone 1 how much should the shoulders and hips turn, on the back swing and downswings ? it's doesn't need to be measured either.
My point body motion is a different world, Zone 1 is an area where the mechanical world lack education but then this is a different field and for this field, should be passed on to people who are expert in this field.
I will be honest here it's a lack of golf coaches understanding of the human body motion which is causing potential injury. But this isn't their field of expertise either so that's ok. It's no fault of theirs. They are mechanics.
Not body motion. there lack of understanding of 6-m-1 and zone 1 is the problem.
educated hands are only as useful as well trained pivot train
The relevance is that a well known chiropractor did his research on spinal injury due to excessive rotation. If you want to look up his credentials and research methods that's up to you.
so your point is hand path is all that matters and it controls pivot ..kinetic chain etc etc and to back your statement up you quote a chiropractor and say look him up...how does a ground up sequence give you excess rotation of the body
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