Here is the magazine cover of...Hogan lean into the ball...
And our friend golfbulldog produced a clip on that:-
I would like to know is that a snare as described by Homer!
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
When I saw the cover I presumed that the lean into the ball meant his left sided sag... but the fact the the illustration showed a DTL view made me wonder if a "feel" of leaning towards the ball may not be unhelpful...
I then edited that video and found that he did have a lowering of knees and head and upper body...mostly occuring during the backswing but maintained during downswing.
It appears to be a whole body concertina compression - as others have described elsewhere - rather than a simple head bob...IMO
Shows that Ben's head is lowered in the final body concertina move as he prepares downswing and then stays at that level (pretty much) through downswing.....
Whereas Byron's head really dives down during the downswing... bobs
There are a lot of super golfers with a bob of sorts. What should we take from this?
Bobbing is a snare no? But Hogan, Moe etc do it. Or are they doing something else? What gives?
Their radius is shortening but they dont hit it fat. Or should I say that their head is moving down but their left shoulder is going up? NMgolfer wants a shortening radius as a form of acceleration, so there is some physics to it. Hmmm if the left shoulder comes in higher than at address due to a axis tilt, steeper shoulder plane then the golfer would have to lower his shoulder unit and head to make contact..........i dunno....is this right?
Please accepty my silly perception first... Hogan seldom credited other golfers in helping his golf swing, but the man explained how he LEARNT from Ed Stewart's knee action in his book....I think that is very important in Hogan's swing.
Somewhere I read Hogan helped golfers to start the back swing at "impact" and at that position, the head should be in place...yet we can see his head dropped.
Homer said bobing is raising and/or lowering the Head by faulty movement of the back or knees, and disrupts the Shoulder-to-ball radius and if we go through the fix, we shall not bob...
I don't know in TGM term what is the meaning of faulty movement of the back or knees and hope that Yoda or other Pros can share more.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
In non tgm terms it looks like Hogan wasn't in an athletic setup and adjusted during the swing for balance. There are three Hogan models on my V1 and the rear view swing doesn't show any tilt/lean/bob. The tempo on V1 is also amazing how fast the swing is from start to finish. 1.23 seconds total and .6 to the top. I'd have to have 9 cups of coffee and 0 swing thoughts to get my swing that fast.
Which way is the lean leaning in the article? Hip shift lean, axis tilt, missing piece, down the line bob?
Thanks
OB
OB,
Digging in my endless Hogan achives, the article is from the October 1957 Golf Digest. It references British Pro Alex King, who originally posted the article in Golf Monthy, the British golf magazine.
King writes: "It is generally accepted among professionals that the most common movement to be detected in the swings of the leading players is a lean into the ball. This can best be explained as a deliberate forward drive and turn of the left hip so that before the arms and hands arrive in the hitting area the body weight is already well on the left heel."
He continues, "Without a doubt Ben Hogan has a more pronounced forward left hip slide and drive than any other golfer ever seen in this country, the nearest to him being Dai Rees and Charlie Ward, both of them, be it observed, little men on the Hogan pattern."
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