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Old 06-15-2009, 02:26 PM
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If your Left Palm is resting On the Plane at the Top then your Left Wrist is Bent. The Back of your Right Hand should be Resting on the Plane.
Yes, left wrist is bent as it should be given most every grip type except the extremely weak left hand grip. As per Yodas Alignment Golf preview of the "hammer drill", the on plane, vertical, hammer like cock and uncock of the left wrist sees the left wrist bend when cocking, in accordance with the grip type employed.

Back of the right hand resting on the plane? I thought the hands sandwiched the plane. Left palm on top, right palm below, supporting, like a waiters tray but the tray is inclined not parallel to the ground like maybe he is running to our table with my sandwich and beer.




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Do you think you found a Dilemma?
I have recently discovered a Diamana but have no intention of seeking out Dilemmas. I think the book is free of conflicting alignments. Just looking at my own cocking along the plane of the left arm at Top and researching, thinking, trying to figure this all out. I play way better with a bend at TOP which allows the cock to be on plane, like my left wrist............had to sneak that in there D, sorry.
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Yes, left wrist is bent as it should be given most every grip type except the extremely weak left hand grip. As per Yodas Alignment Golf preview of the "hammer drill", the on plane, vertical, hammer like cock and uncock of the left wrist sees the left wrist bend when cocking, in accordance with the grip type employed.
I assumed we're always talking about the 10-2-B Grip unless otherwise noted. At least that's the assumption in the Book.

Well, I must say that's news to me. I thought I was just going by the Book.

Just so I have it straight, then:
  1. The amount of Left Wrist Bend is determined by Plane Angle or is it the Amount of Wrist Cock or Both?
  2. So, if I don't Cock my Wrists, depending on Grip, my wrist may still be bent?
  3. Does the Left wrist bend and Cock Simultaneously with 10-2-B?
  4. Does the Left Wrist Unbend and Uncock Simultaneously at Release?
  5. And Lastly, He says that in the Alignment Video?

I wonder, then, anyone having a Flat Left Wrist at the Top of the Swing, must have a Compensation.


I don't want to be argumentative but: Dark Green and Red by Daryl. I highlighted the text so it could be easily found.


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4-D-1 THE FLAT LEFT WRIST
This section is included to stress the importance of the Flat Left Wrist during Impact. Study 2-P and 10-18-B. “Flat Left Wrist” and “Grip” refer to the Strong Single Action Grip Type 10-2-B. This is highly dependable visual check for compliance with the Law of The Flail (2-K). Carefully study 3-F-7.
The Alignments in the Quote below are made Possible because the Back of the Left Hand and the Back of the Right Hand are not Parallel to each other.

HK is saying that the Back of the Left Hand (With a Flat Left Wrist) is on the Left Arm Wedge Plane and the Back of the Right Hand is on the Inclined Plane.

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6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter '8') the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
This was posted in an interesting thread on the Bent Right Wrist.

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04-30-2006, 12:56 PM, Yoda, The Bent Right Wrist (4-A-2), How Much Bend? CE#54 post #7,

The Flat Left Wrist and Bent Right Wrist Alignments are established in Impact Fix (7-8 ). The amount of 'Flat' in the Left Wrist is an absolute -- there is only one Flat! -- otherwise the Wrist is Bent or Arched. However, the amount of Right Wrist Bend can vary. It is normally determined by (1) Ball Location -- the further back the less Bend and the further forward the more Bend -- and by (2) the Right Elbow Location of the Major Basic Stroke employed (10-3). However, at the player's option, any desired degree of Bend (between minimum and maximum) can be arbitrarily selected. That precise degree of Bend is then 'frozen' and held throughout the Stroke (to the end of the Follow-through per the discussion below).

In the classic Adjusted Address (8-3), the Fix Alignments are reversed -- the Left Wrist is Bent and the Right Wrist is Flat -- to gain certain advantages (7-9). However, once the Stroke gets underway, the Flat Left Wrist and Bent Right Wrist Alignments are re-established in Start Up (8-4) by the selected Loading Action (10-22) and then maintained to the end of The Follow-Through (8-11), the Both Arms Straight Position.
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Yes, left wrist is bent as it should be given most every grip type except the extremely weak left hand grip. As per Yodas Alignment Golf preview of the "hammer drill", the on plane, vertical, hammer like cock and uncock of the left wrist sees the left wrist bend when cocking, in accordance with the grip type employed.


Ok just reviewed the Alignment Golf DVD, took a while, man its good. I must retract the above statement. Lynn doesnt comment on the degree of bend at Top in clip I was thinking about. Dang where did I get that. Is Freddies left wrist more bent at Top than it was at Address? Now Im wondering too.
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post

HK is saying that the Back of the Left Hand (With a Flat Left Wrist) is on the Left Arm Wedge Plane and the Back of the Right Hand is on the Inclined Plane.

In regard to 6-B-3-O-1, I take it to mean that the plane of the RFFW is the plane of the right wrist bend, at right angles to the plane of the LAFW. So not the inclined plane, all the time anyways, at address and impact yes but elsewhere no.

So with your arms extended in front of you, parallel to the ground, the LAFW plane is vertical to the ground and the plane of the RAFW is horizontal (as in yodas table photo). When dropped down onto the inclined plane the plane of the RAFW will be on (or part) of the inclined plane but only until startup begins. As the left wrist turns to plane so does the plane of the RAFW turn under the inclined plane.
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
In regard to 6-B-3-O-1, I take it to mean that the plane of the RFFW is the plane of the right wrist bend, at right angles to the plane of the LAFW. So not the inclined plane, all the time anyways, at address and impact yes but elsewhere no.

So with your arms extended in front of you, parallel to the ground, the LAFW plane is vertical to the ground and the plane of the RAFW is horizontal (as in yodas table photo). When dropped down onto the inclined plane the plane of the RAFW will be on (or part) of the inclined plane but only until startup begins. As the left wrist turns to plane so does the plane of the RAFW turn under the inclined plane.
I think you're soon going to have a breakthrough moment.

When dropped down to the Inclined plane, in your above statement, if you were to turn your right wrist 90 degrees clockwise so that the palm of your right hand is against the bottom side of the Plane with fingers pointed at the plane line, then put your entire right forearm, elbow, upper arm and wrist in a cast, keeping your right hand on the plane, use your right shoulder to rotate the right forearm flying wedge to the top of the swing and your fingers are now pointing up-plane, lower them back down using your right shoulder joint until your fingers are again pointing to the plane line. That is the motion of the right forearm wedge during the Backstroke and Downstroke until release.
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:27 PM
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Hold on a second there fella, Turn and Roll of the RFFW aside, that is what Ive been saying all along, right and left palms, holding the plane at Top like a sandwich.
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:32 PM
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Hold on a second there fella, Turn and Roll of the RFFW aside, that is what Ive been saying all along, right and left palms, holding the plane at Top like a sandwich.
I agree. The fingers of the left hand would touch the plane but not the Palm. The Palm would be a 3/8" away. The stuff in the sandwich would slide out.
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