been trying to print the exercises but they are tiny, any idea how to print them?
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Thanks for these posts Daryl, and I have a question.
Originally Posted by Daryl
Please post Pivot Drills that others may not be aware of. Upload pictures if possible.
The following are the McDonald Pivot Drills.
I recommend that "Exercise #2 and #4" be performed with the club behind the back and through the elbows. I don't recommend #10 and 11 because they promote a roundish Pivot. That may be ok for an Elbow Plane Swinger but not a TSP Swinger or Hitter.
It seems in reviewing these exercises, Daryl, that it is possible to lose ( ex. # 11) the "belly-button-handle synchronization." When I do ex. # 2, my back shoulder easily flows all the way back and very far away from the RFT line. Does the depth of the full turn of the back shoulder, driven or invited by my back hip, mandate a certain downswing? Is that where the "out to right field" strike starts from?
It seems to my apprentice padowin gifts that a deep turn needs a deep pp# 4 response with angle hinge to avoid hooking the ball. The # 4 feels UP inviting the back shoulder DOWN then OUT and always FORWARD . It seems like doing ex. # 11 by keying on the belly button is an invitation to OTT land.
In another post of yours I read this evening, you mentioned bending and unbending the back elbow. Am I understanding you to suggest that while turning the hip back, additional elbow bend will make the turn back even deeper (ex. 4) and that the downswing pivot can be at any speed as long as the belly button is ahead of the extended elbow? The combination of the pivot leading the elbow extension negating hooks and adding power?
Is that what hitters do? Reverse and beast the ball with the elbow unbending? There is a lot of power there. Is that why they need aimpoints? With such a deep shoulder turn, I could drive my primary lever very hard as long as I kept the clubface/head on the baseline of the plane, but allowing that club to go so deep with the back shoulder is "hook madness, " unless I drove the lever down to my back heel with an open face.
Or am I just bleary-eyed?
Patrick
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 07-23-2010 at 01:01 AM.
It seems in reviewing these exercises, Daryl, that it is possible to lose ( ex. # 11) the "belly-button-handle synchronization."
Thank goodness! Your goal is an On-Plane Clubshaft. Does the Plane Align with your belly-button?
When I do ex. # 2, my back shoulder easily flows all the way back and very far away from the RFT line.
Are you purposefully trying to swing on the Elbow Plane? Did you read my advice that said in "Exercise #2 and 4, put the Club behind your back"? Please put the club behind your back and try the exercise again. The right shoulder should not feel like its going "all the way back and very far away from the RFT line". Do this exercise with a "Stationary Head" and the club behind your back.
Does the depth of the full turn of the back shoulder, driven or invited by my back hip, mandate a certain downswing? Is that where the "out to right field" strike starts from?
This is a problem. It's not "so much" that your hips are controlling the shoulder turn but the way you turn your hips. There's no doubt that you have the right shoulder going way too far back and flat if you allow "turning hips" to direct them because that motion takes you off-plane. This is a sure way to make the clubhead go out to right field and rise above plane at and after impact.
Going out to right field is the "out" feel of the Downstroke. It is not intended for your shaft and clubhead to literally go to right field (Rise above the plane) at impact and follow-through. You must stay on-plane for a three dimensional impact. Use a Laser. I have a "Smart Stick Laser" that I use and I can "Rip" it through the Impact interval and I'm perfectly On-Plane but if I Turn too deep on the backstroke, like you, then the Laser goes to Right Field. That's not good and Impact is not a good time to use compensations.
It seems to my apprentice padowin gifts that a deep turn needs a deep pp# 4 response with angle hinge to avoid hooking the ball. The # 4 feels UP inviting the back shoulder DOWN then OUT and always FORWARD . It seems like doing ex. # 11 by keying on the belly button is an invitation to OTT land.
Did you read my advice at the beginning of the post? It says "I do not recommend #10 or 11 because they promote a roundish pivot". And, unless you want to swing on the Elbow Plane or out to right field, avoid them "like the Plague".
In another post of yours I read this evening, you mentioned bending and unbending the back elbow. Am I understanding you to suggest that while turning the hip back, additional elbow bend will make the turn back even deeper (ex. 4) and that the downswing pivot can be at any speed as long as the belly button is ahead of the extended elbow? The combination of the pivot leading the elbow extension negating hooks and adding power?
If you rotate your hips around to turn them, then your right shoulder will go very deep and too flat and throw everything off plane. Please refer to exercise #5 and 6. March in-place while you swing your arms and you will learn the KEY to swinging on the TSP and how the Pivot can be aligned to automatically move the right shoulder On-Plane/Down-Plane every time without any effort. Keep the balls of your feet on the ground and lift your heels as you march. Experiment by exaggerating the "march" for you to feel that the Hips and Shoulders move differently but are synchronized. Don't pull the arms down, let the pivot do that. Notice that your Hips move in an alternating pattern from front to back and back to front while your shoulders move kind of up and down.
Please notice that your hips turn, but you aren't rotating them. The bending and straightening knees allow the turn.
HK said that if you can't get the right shoulder back to the plane during the backstroke, then use a steeper plane. In other words, use a TSP. Normal people don't have a problem getting the shoulder back to the Turned Shoulder Plane because it isn't very Far Back. In fact, from the deep shoulder turn you've become accustomed too, it will feel barely back at all.
Is that what hitters do? Reverse and beast the ball with the elbow unbending? There is a lot of power there. Is that why they need aimpoints? With such a deep shoulder turn, I could drive my primary lever very hard as long as I kept the clubface/head on the baseline of the plane, but allowing that club to go so deep with the back shoulder is "hook madness, " unless I drove the lever down to my back heel with an open face.
This is a problem. It's not "so much" that your hips are controlling the shoulder turn but the way you turn your hips. There's no doubt that you have the right shoulder going way too far back and flat if you allow "turning hips" to direct them because that motion takes you off-plane. This is a sure way to make the clubhead go out to right field and rise above plane at and after impact.
Going out to right field is the "out" feel of the Downstroke. It is not intended for your shaft and clubhead to literally go to right field (Rise above the plane) at impact and follow-through. You must stay on-plane for a three dimensional impact. Use a Laser. I have a "Smart Stick Laser" that I use and I can "Rip" it through the Impact interval and I'm perfectly On-Plane but if I Turn too deep on the backstroke, like you, then the Laser goes to Right Field. That's not good and Impact is not a good time to use compensations.
If you rotate your hips around to turn them, then your right shoulder will go very deep and too flat and throw everything off plane. Please refer to exercise #5 and 6. March in-place while you swing your arms and you will learn the KEY to swinging on the TSP and how the Pivot can be aligned to automatically move the right shoulder On-Plane/Down-Plane every time without any effort. Keep the balls of your feet on the ground and lift your heels as you march. Experiment by exaggerating the "march" for you to feel that the Hips and Shoulders move differently but are synchronized. Don't pull the arms down, let the pivot do that. Notice that your Hips move in an alternating pattern from front to back and back to front while your shoulders move kind of up and down.
Please notice that your hips turn, but you aren't rotating them. The bending and straightening knees allow the turn.
HK said that if you can't get the right shoulder back to the plane during the backstroke, then use a steeper plane. In other words, use a TSP. Normal people don't have a problem getting the shoulder back to the Turned Shoulder Plane because it isn't very Far Back. In fact, from the deep shoulder turn you've become accustomed too, it will feel barely back at all.
...please keep a couple of things in mind. 1) I am greatful for the time you and the other people here spend explaining these great TGM insights. This is an amazing collection of golfers and golf insight. 2) I have had 11 hip operations and two total hip replacements since 1972. When I sleep at night, my left foot sticks straight up by itself. (KEEP YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!!! ) The doctors at St. Mary's in Winona MN, broke my leg below my knee and rotated it so when I walk, my feet go forward and I do not drag my foot to the side. They were concerned about my social standing with members of the opposite sex not my ability to swing a golf club!
( I AM REALLY TEMPTED HERE TO ABUSE PEOPLE FROM A SMALL NORthEASTERN STATE BUT I AM RESTRAINING MYSELF. )
(THANK GOD JOHN WAYNE WAS POPULAR WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER. WHEN GIRLS INQUIRED ABOUT MY ANGULAR GAIT, I ASKED THEM HOW THEY FELT ABOUT JOHN WAYNE. I TOLD THEM I WAS A COWBOY WITH ALL THE ACCESSORIES..WHO KNEW THE BOY SCOUT KNOTS WOULD BE SO USEFUL?...BUT I DIGRESS! )
When I do those /these exercises my sense of balance is very different from yours or anyone else! I am very, very confused by the "synchronization" of my hips , shoulders and knees because I have not had a "normal" sense of coordination in 38 years. I do not wear a 1.5" lift in my left shoe because such lifts are illegal in USGA competition which is my ultimate goal, though that is the shortness in my front or left leg.
When I do exercises 2 and 4, it feels like I am walking up and down a flight of stairs, for example.
When you or another experienced TGM person explains something to me, I practice the insight for weeks. One of my regular foursome shot an "80" last week with every lucky bounce and he has an "18" hcp. Today, he shot a 93.
Because of TGM, I have shot a 42, 44, 42, 44, and 43 on the last 45 holes. I know I can shoot par or better, on purpose, on a regular basis if I can "translate" the TGM into my kinetic language and I know if I can apprehend those insights, I can teach them to others, regardless of their physical, social, emotional or intellectual perspectives.
SO BEAR WITH ME DARYL, I'M PADDLING AS FAST AS I CAN!
What I think you are saying Daryl, and again, thankyou for making the effort, (I mean it !) is:
1) The proper pivot is an organic motion that starts from the "use of the ground" going up. "The leg bone is indeed connected to the hip bone..."
2) The plane is the thing, first, last and in the middle.
3) Turning my back hip as a startup key is a disaster since the back shoulder is thrown far off plane.
4) The TSP is no joke. The left hand is kept on plane and the back or right shoulder is correctly aligned as a result.
5) The TSP prevents OTT when controlled from the ground up. Per exercises, 5 and 6, the shoulders must be held in front while marching, as much as possible. (That's the benefit of RFT and tracing the BLP as they keep the power package in front?) (Is this why Lynn emphasizes the "clapping motion" so much since the shoulders hardly move while doing that motion?)
6) For regular folks, marching while keeping the spine on the ball, thus the shoulders as forward as possible will force a coordination between knees and arms always on plane (front knee moves to the BLP, the arms move up-plane and vice-versa.). THOSE SWINGING ON PLANE ARMS ALLOW A PERSON TO HIT THE HECK OUT OF THE BALL!
Am I getting warmer?
Patrick
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 07-25-2010 at 01:04 PM.
Walking up and down stairs? Hmm? Ya, it's kind of like a "Stair Climber or Stair Stepper machine at the gym. So,, your feeling isn't far off.
The McDonald Drills are very, very good drills.
I'm not pushing or rushing you to improve. Hell, I don't expect you to shoot par for another month or two. Take your time. If you need an afternoon off from full stroke training; well ok. But, use this time to practice putting or bunker shots.
Walking up and down stairs? Hmm? Ya, it's kind of like a "Stair Climber or Stair Stepper machine at the gym. So,, your feeling isn't far off.
The McDonald Drills are very, very good drills.
I'm not pushing or rushing you to improve. Hell, I don't expect you to shoot par for another month or two. Take your time. If you need an afternoon off from full stroke training; well ok. But, use this time to practice putting or bunker shots.
Very thin bottoms of the bunkers. I open my 58 degr. wedge, play it back in the stance, lean forward (ball position reacts to depth of the bunker), and pick it. We putt out or hybrid out, a lot, too. EA keeps it and everything else on track, everything. The ball checks and releases quite often. But I have given up thread jacking for Lent so I will pursue this, later.
Thanks again, Daryl, everyone.
Patrick
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
by the "synchronization" of my hips , shoulders and knees because I have not had a "normal" sense of coordination in 38 years. I do not wear a 1.5" lift in my left shoe because such lifts are illegal in USGA competition which is my ultimate goal, though that is the shortness in my front or left leg. 
Hybrid Mode
