Many of my shots are weak fades/slices. But from time to time I feel that I have made a good shot. It's long and straight. But the divots go out to left as usual - maybe as much as 20-30 degrees. Why does then the shot go straight? What determines whether a shot is a slice or straight when swing path is the same? I'm not talking about pulls - that I understand - it's the straight one that puzzle me.
Many of my shots are weak fades/slices. But from time to time I feel that I have made a good shot. It's long and straight. But the divots go out to left as usual - maybe as much as 20-30 degrees. Why does then the shot go straight? What determines whether a shot is a slice or straight when swing path is the same? I'm not talking about pulls - that I understand - it's the straight one that puzzle me.
Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!
Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.
Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.
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Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!
Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot. Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the groud until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.
I guess it is easier to have a high postscore over a shorter time than those who have been 5 years or more.
I should maybe have mentioned that I was mostly talking about a 6 iron shot (and occasionally a 2-hybrid) and not so much the shorter irons, in case that makes a difference? I think you are the first who has given me permission to have divots to the left. Thank you. That would in case be terrific news.
If all shots went straight, there wouldn't have been any problems. But the slice also shows its ugly face.
Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!
Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.
Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.
Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!
Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.
Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.
Well, actually, the "Moral of the Story" is that regardless of the Divots apparent direction relative to the Target, it should always be taken Down and Out On-Plane.
Confusing Plane Line and Target line is for Amateurs.
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1-L-14 Divots are taken “Down-and-Out” – not just “Down.”
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So, Ball Location determines the Angle of Approach (2-J-3), making the Forearm motion three dimensional (2-C-0). See 6-B-3-0. The “Delivery Line” procedure completely replaces the geometric Plane Line (2-F) and the Target Line because these were established at Impact Fix ("7-8") according to the intended Hinge Action (2-J-1) and Stance Line (10-5) requirements, and their control is completely automatic. Both the Lag Pressure Point and the Clubshaft must so relate to the selected Plane Line OR Angle of Approach – to the geometric or the visual – but don’t try to Monitor both at the same time because, though equally dependable, they need not be identical in execution AS LONG AS THE CLUBSHAFT HOLDS A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE – POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE. The orbiting Clubhead must maintain its visual relationship wit the selected Delivery Line per 2-F and 2-J-3 during all Twelve Sections (Chapter "8") while Turning, Cocking, Uncocking, Rolling and Swiveling of the Wrists. See 2-P, 7-23 and "8-0".
oh, wait a minute.....where did I put that "water bucket"?
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