I think HK concluded almost opposite. Clubface control - left hand, clubhead control - right hand. Although I don't think this is all black and white since you will have better control on both parameters with two hands on the club. But nevertheless I would say that as a guideline it works 100% most of the time.
Yes, I think it maybe that I prefer the left arm wedge as a way to control the clubhead. My preference is to combine that with either a square or turned shoulder plane.
The right forearm wedge being along the plane with the clubshaft doesn't work on a consistent basis with me.
It does work for a lot other golfers.but not me
Very few good players have their right forearm on the inclined plane at address. IMO you can achieve more lag, more lag pressure and a longer distance from impact to both arms straight if you address the ball with lower hands.
The right forearm wedge being along the plane with the clubshaft doesn't work on a consistent basis with me.
It does work for a lot other golfers.but not me
Dlam,
You say the On Plane Right Forearm Wedge "doesn't work" for you. Are you absolutely sure you are doing it correctly? Have you worked with a competent professional who understands the necessary integrated alignments of Body, Arms and Hands? Or, is this as I suspect, merely a "do it yourself" project? My point is, don't blame the alignments when the fault may well be your own misapplication. On the other hand, you may be using the Turning Shoulder Plane ("straight back / straight through"). In which case, the Arms will 'hang' and point well inside the Baseline; then, swing back-and-through parallel to it. Or, you may be using the Squared Shoulder Plane you mentioned above. In which case, an On Plane Right Forearm at address -- while possible -- feels and appears 'ungolflike'.
Originally Posted by BerntR
Very few good players have their right forearm on the inclined plane at address. IMO you can achieve more lag, more lag pressure and a longer distance from impact to both arms straight if you address the ball with lower hands.
BerntR,
If "lower hands" at address works for you, then by all means, go for it!
But, a question . . .
Will your hands also be "lower" at impact? Or, will they be higher (than at address)? If so, then how much higher will they be? And, if they are higher -- and they almost certainly are -- then how does going from "lower" hands at address to higher hands at impact translate into "more lag, more lag pressure and a longer distance from impact to both arms straight".
I had low hands at address for decades. For full shots they'd get up higher by Impact but I could never figure out why my little chip shots always felt sort of muffled. Something that went away immediately when I got my arms set properly at Address. There simply wasnt enough time to raise the low hands during a little chip shot and therefor no Right Forearm Flying Wedge.
The Right Forearm Flying Wedge.........you can take that dang thing away from me but it will be from my cold dead, educated hands.
If "lower hands" at address works for you, then by all means, go for it!
That was my conclusion to, after trying to adopt to level wrists address for several months.
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But, a question . . .
Will your hands also be "lower" at impact? Or, will they be higher (than at address)?
Higher at impact than at address. Elbow plane. Also higher left hip at impact.
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If so, then how much higher will they be? And, if they are higher -- and they almost certainly are -- then how does going from "lower" hands at address to higher hands at impact translate into "more lag, more lag pressure and a longer distance from impact to both arms straight".
Glad you asked!
The answer to your lag pressure question is best described as different use of Accumulator #4. Accumulator #4 has a horizontal and a vertical component. The vertical is probably the same but I have a lot more left of the horizontal part of A #4 lag through impact. Not releasing as much A#4 before impact keeps the pivot more actively engaged. For me anywah. The feet are also working harder and I feel much more ground pressure through the ball. There's just more brute force through the ball and that gives a bigger error margin in more ways than one.
The impact alignment I have would make up for a very uncomfortable literal impact fix position, so that is out of the question. The right forearm is btw on the clubshaft plane at impact.
The Right Shoulder is further away from the ball at impact than at address. Slightly more turned perhaps but certainly more tilted. Therefore I need some slack between the Right shoulder and ball at address. Thus the lower hands.
PS: I have nothing against level wrists address. But I basically think the address position should support the down stroke and not the other way around. In my case there was clearly an alignment conflict with level wrists address and the pivot driven down stroke that I have in me.
I know this sounds crazy and bit too elementary but I have associated pressure points to directional control of the clubface, clubshaft and clubhead.
For me Directional Clubhead control is via P4 and P2
Directional Clubface control is P1
Directional Clubshaft control is P3.
This directional control is to describe the forward swing only.
Almost a year later and this seems like a silly post by me.
clubshaft moves linearly and circular and in a twisting torque fashion.
clubshaft rotation and clubhead rotation affects clubface angle.
Not mutual exclusion.
Almost a year later and this seems like a silly post by me.
clubshaft moves linearly and circular and in a twisting torque fashion.
clubshaft rotation and clubhead rotation affects clubface angle.
Not mutual exclusion.
I enjoy thinking of the shaft staying on plane while maintaining lag pressure. Twisting and torqueing aren't part of my program. Whatever works for each individual!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I enjoy thinking of the shaft staying on plane while maintaining lag pressure. Twisting and torqueing aren't part of my program. Whatever works for each individual!
Kevin
My swinger's P3 cannot just move the shaft linearly like a pulling on rope.
The shaft moves forward and around my body and the clubhead rotates counterclockwise through impact.
So an upward hinge left wrist is especially essential in the backswing.
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