I just bought a Yardage Pro 1500 and can't believe the difference in numbers that were running through my head and the actuals that are being shot. Of course, you have to still account for the conditions but a great tool on the course and on the range.
Pat
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I just bought a Yardage Pro 1500 and can't believe the difference in numbers that were running through my head and the actuals that are being shot. Of course, you have to still account for the conditions but a great tool on the course and on the range.
Pat
Pat
Do you have any questions about the 1500 or about the proper use of the incline option?
I bought the one without the degree of slope inhancement. My thought was to be able to use it in some events as well as practice rounds. I haven't been disappointed. I would like to hear what you have to say about the other model.
Pat
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"Practice mechanics into a feel, play a feel into computer dependability."
I bought the one without the degree of slope inhancement. My thought was to be able to use it in some events as well as practice rounds. I haven't been disappointed. I would like to hear what you have to say about the other model.
Pat
Pat
The degree of slope inhancement chip in the 1500 uses a formula that was created using a suveyors tool called a clinometer (incline meter). The original formula was done in % and as you know the 1500 uses degrees. This is unfortunate, because degrees are not as tight as % (0 to 90, degrees gives you 90 segments, % gives you 100). Also, it is very easy to do the math using % , very difficult using degrees. This may change, there is still talk of bringing out a model using %.
Most of the people on the various Tours who use this concept, (the # is growing every week) use % because, lazers are not allowed for shots in Tour events and being able to do the math quickly is critical. Interestingly enough, Jim Flick was asking about this same issue at the John Deere on Tuesday.
One final point, how tight do you want to be with your numbers; when I do a new course I use reflectors to check yardages because the varience with reflectors is very tight ( plus or minus 1 yd). Just shooting a flag or a bunker, the varience is probably plus or minus 3 and therefore your slope yds will also be affected
The degree of slope inhancement chip in the 1500 uses a formula that was created using a suveyors tool called a clinometer (incline meter). The original formula was done in % and as you know the 1500 uses degrees. This is unfortunate, because degrees are not as tight as % (0 to 90, degrees gives you 90 segments, % gives you 100). Also, it is very easy to do the math using % , very difficult using degrees. This may change, there is still talk of bringing out a model using %.
Most of the people on the various Tours who use this concept, (the # is growing every week) use % because, lazers are not allowed for shots in Tour events and being able to do the math quickly is critical. Interestingly enough, Jim Flick was asking about this same issue at the John Deere on Tuesday.
One final point, how tight do you want to be with your numbers; when I do a new course I use reflectors to check yardages because the varience with reflectors is very tight ( plus or minus 1 yd). Just shooting a flag or a bunker, the varience is probably plus or minus 3 and therefore your slope yds will also be affected
I just got one Friday and I'm sold. Shot below my handicap Friday and Sunday wearing a soft cast on my left leg up to the knee. On the eleventh hole (the one in Bucket's backyard) today I hit the ball pin high. This is our toughest approach and I think knowing the yardage was the difference. On the twelfth hole (the only one Bucket gets to play very often) the reading was 145 for a playing companion who was right on the 125 marker. The green is 43 yard deep and they almost missed the sucker with the flag. That was very good info to have that was not apparent just lookin' at it.
I have used a skycaddie for the past year but think I'm going to like this much better. I bought the tournament model without the slope calcuation so that it will be legal in tourament play.
The degree of slope inhancement chip in the 1500 uses a formula that was created using a suveyors tool called a clinometer (incline meter). The original formula was done in % and as you know the 1500 uses degrees. This is unfortunate, because degrees are not as tight as % (0 to 90, degrees gives you 90 segments, % gives you 100). Also, it is very easy to do the math using % , very difficult using degrees. This may change, there is still talk of bringing out a model using %.
Most of the people on the various Tours who use this concept, (the # is growing every week) use % because, lazers are not allowed for shots in Tour events and being able to do the math quickly is critical. Interestingly enough, Jim Flick was asking about this same issue at the John Deere on Tuesday.
One final point, how tight do you want to be with your numbers; when I do a new course I use reflectors to check yardages because the varience with reflectors is very tight ( plus or minus 1 yd). Just shooting a flag or a bunker, the varience is probably plus or minus 3 and therefore your slope yds will also be affected
Hope is helps, if not, I'll try harder
It should be known, and OK is too modest. OK introduced the clinometer to golf. He found the instrument and worked out the correlation of percentage to golf shot (he did have some help with this). There is some difference in the effect based on the club being used and the trajectory. It has become a standard piece of information that players want. My personal opinion is that the most important piece it yields is a hard number instead of "it's 150 yards plus about half a club," it becomes "150--up 4% = 156 total."
He also consulted with and product tested for Bushnell as they introduced their version.
Nice post, some really good info there. I think as golfers we all under estimate the rise and fall aspect of the golf course and we overlook how much of a difference it will make in the yardage. The more info about the shot at hand you can give a good player the more exact he/she will be.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep my eye open for an opportunity to try the other model of the 1500.
Pat
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"Practice mechanics into a feel, play a feel into computer dependability."
Nice post, some really good info there. I think as golfers we all under estimate the rise and fall aspect of the golf course and we overlook how much of a difference it will make in the yardage. The more info about the shot at hand you can give a good player the more exact he/she will be.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep my eye open for an opportunity to try the other model of the 1500.
Pat
Pat
Where it really makes a big difference is when you play a course that you have never seen before. I was on the 13th hole at Weschester a number of years ago (second shot is very uphill) checking elevation with my clinometer.
A seasoned Tour player came by and asked me what I was doing; I told him and he said "well I've learned over the years that it plays about a club uphill ". I thanked him and said "well I've been here for 30 seconds and it actually plays 9 yards uphill. N and I were using this info for several years before it became of interest. However, when VJ started using my formula (about 6m before he became #1) the whole concept really took off .
Today, players and caddies on every major Tour in the world either use a clinometer or the pinseeker 1500. Just a small hint, when using the elevation part of the 1500, shoot your target at eye level so that you get a proper reading.
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First off, there was a post somewhere about a virus running around. I think I may have caught it. I had a long drive over the weekend and stopped for fried chicken twice. The doctor says there may be hope because I only had the three piece dinner.
Since this hole has caused some problems, we want to eliminate the big number, so the driver is out. We want to find the easiest tee shot that still gives you a chance on the hole.
You need to do a little recon. You want to go down to the landing area and find the widest spot that still leaves you a reasonable second. Much of the time, the area will look much larger when you are standing there than it does from the tee. You may find that you think, "I could never miss this area with a five iron." Then measure back to the tee. If you don't have a laser, you could step it or just hit multiple clubs off the tee in practice. You want to figure the club that gets you just into trouble and hit one less. Don't try to do anything fancy with the tee shot.
If you tee shot leaves you an 8, 7, or 6, you should be able to hit the green a high percentage of the time.
HB
Mac is my boss . . . just bought one of them 1500 lasers . . . is it still illegal to steal?
Good advice. PLAN: Steal laser. Off to 5. Shoot laser. Make pars. Me likey.
OK on your "virus" . . . . that's a sign of evolution my friend . . . so you'll be developing some very interesting super-powers.
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