There's a lot in here . . . you put a lot of thought into it. You got some concepts mixed up. But props to you for taking it on. It's unfortunate that the book doesn't come with a video. I could take you through a bunch of this stuff, but it would make a HUGE thread.
You should attend a seminar assuming you have the interest and the $. But if not ask plenty of questions. You seem to be mixed up on how Hinging works.
Do a search in the archives on Hinge Action. They are organized by Chapters in the book. So take a look at the Chapters where you are having trouble visualizing and conceptualizing the material. Search that in the main forum and the archives. For the most part the entire book has been tackled.
You are having some issues with Grip Type, the #3 Accumulator (the angle and how it works), and Wrist Action/Hand Action.
I'd say we need to start with your grip type because that is going to have a huge impact on how your hands HAVE to move during the Release Motions.
How do you have your hand on the club pop intruction "strong" or pop instruction "weak"? See the pics on 10-2-B vs 10-2-D grip types.
Report back and we'll get you started.
Props to you? Pop instruction?
Seminar??? Love to but it aint gonna happen.
I'm not sure grip type is the issue just quite yet. Interestingly, when pulling together my thoughts, I never even touched a club. Just used a dowel in my right hand (I'm a left handed golfer) and actually put my left hand behind my back while simulating "the machine". As I mentioned, my wrist was vertical (pictures 4-C-1 and 4-B-1 would be good visuals)
In retrospect, I could have talked about the golfers flail 2-K#5 Vertical wrist motion rather than try to relate it to a swing.
Hey, I hope I didn't screw something up when translating - I wrote it as if I was a right handed golfer (you guys aren't used to having to flip every fifth word written !
For simplicity (now ain’t that an oxy-moron on this site!) lets envision a golfer at “address”, zero accumulator #3, FLV left “wrist”. So clubshaft and left forearm in a straight line resting on an inclined plane. An awful lot like 1-L. For purposes of this discussion, lets not quibble over clubshaft vs sweetspot planes, impact vs lowpoint plane lines, etc (unless of course this causes me to draw incorrect conclusions)
For a RIGHT-handed golfer, the RIGHT forearm and clubshaft rest on the inclined plane. Hence, "the magic of the RIGHT forearm".
I'm not sure grip type is the issue just quite yet.
Hands to pivot...hands are the command post...the grip is always an issue (maybe not THE issue) As Bucket suggested, grip type has a trickle down effect. Homer liked the 10-2-B cuz all of the pressure points (except # 4) are on a line extending from the sweetspot. This to me is the first distinction between position and alignment golf. Sure a good grip looks a certain way...but what specific alignments combined make a generally good looking grip (popular instruction - Golf Digest grip.)
I like the way you have jumped into all of this...few are brave enough right off the bat!
This is my last post on this thread unless something really burns me.
Forget about a human golfer for a minute. So there are no hands and therefore no grip.
Go to Mathews animation 422-1-L_Hinges_LBG (I'm not sure how to post the link). Stop it at the 2 sec mark. Cock the "wrists" (its not drawn on there but imagine a hinge pin half way down the arm....just like the golfers flail 2-K#5 Vertical wrist motion)
As soon as you cock the wrist, the clubshaft no longer points as the plane line. That is what I have been trying to say all along. How do you horizontal hinge and cock your wrists and stay on plane all at the same time? I tried to rationalize it with wrist turn (I think Yoda has also referred to it as startup swivel)
So there are only 3 paths forward:
a) someone acknowledges my point.
b) someone tells me why I am wrong (please!!!)
c) I call enough enough and move on from TGM, being all the wiser for what I have learned the last month.
This is my last post on this thread unless something really burns me.
Forget about a human golfer for a minute. So there are no hands and therefore no grip.
Go to Mathews animation 422-1-L_Hinges_LBG (I'm not sure how to post the link). Stop it at the 2 sec mark. Cock the "wrists" (its not drawn on there but imagine a hinge pin half way down the arm....just like the golfers flail 2-K#5 Vertical wrist motion)
As soon as you cock the wrist, the clubshaft no longer points as the plane line. That is what I have been trying to say all along. How do you horizontal hinge and cock your wrists and stay on plane all at the same time? I tried to rationalize it with wrist turn (I think Yoda has also referred to it as startup swivel)
So there are only 3 paths forward:
a) someone acknowledges my point.
b) someone tells me why I am wrong (please!!!)
c) I call enough enough and move on from TGM, being all the wiser for what I have learned the last month.
Thanks.
I sense some confusion re: horizontal hinge. A concept that is easily confused.
I agree with bucket, also some confusion re: #3 accumulator.
The simplest way to understand the horizontal hinge is to first see that it is a hinge motion, like a door, that relates to the left shoulder.
Hold your arm straight out in front of you, back of the hand towards your target. With no turning/rolling, move your arm back and forth like a door, like a lighthouse beam, from the left shoulder.
That is a horizontal hinge motion of the left wrist. It remains verticle to the ground.
Confusion comes in when you take that same relationship of the wrist to ground and put it on an inclined plane. You don't change how it relates to the ground, it is still moving (and in my view 'feels') like it is verticle to the ground, even though it is now on an inclined plane where it will be turning and rolling to maintain that verticle relationship. Viewed from overhead it is still a 'lighthouse' beam.
Do the same drill as before, but stop at any point and lower the hand down to the inclined plane. Notice it will look and perhaps feel like it is turned or rolled, but nothing has changed relative to the left shoulder, and the ground.
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This is my last post on this thread unless something really burns me.
Forget about a human golfer for a minute. So there are no hands and therefore no grip.
Go to Mathews animation 422-1-L_Hinges_LBG (I'm not sure how to post the link). Stop it at the 2 sec mark. Cock the "wrists" (its not drawn on there but imagine a hinge pin half way down the arm....just like the golfers flail 2-K#5 Vertical wrist motion)
As soon as you cock the wrist, the clubshaft no longer points as the plane line. That is what I have been trying to say all along. How do you horizontal hinge and cock your wrists and stay on plane all at the same time? I tried to rationalize it with wrist turn (I think Yoda has also referred to it as startup swivel)
So there are only 3 paths forward:
a) someone acknowledges my point.
b) someone tells me why I am wrong (please!!!)
c) I call enough enough and move on from TGM, being all the wiser for what I have learned the last month.
Thanks.
WOW...this cat is ready to walk away....after one month....dude...you have found where the gold is hidden ....digging is never easy but you have help here...and once you uncover it ...you will have it for a lifetime....as Tommy said " This shit isn't easy...understanding the words is the hard part...the motion is the easy part." Sorry if this burns you...I couldn't help myself...but it did make me chuckle
This is my last post on this thread unless something really burns me.
Forget about a human golfer for a minute. So there are no hands and therefore no grip.
Go to Mathews animation 422-1-L_Hinges_LBG (I'm not sure how to post the link). Stop it at the 2 sec mark. Cock the "wrists" (its not drawn on there but imagine a hinge pin half way down the arm....just like the golfers flail 2-K#5 Vertical wrist motion)
As soon as you cock the wrist, the clubshaft no longer points as the plane line. That is what I have been trying to say all along. How do you horizontal hinge and cock your wrists and stay on plane all at the same time? I tried to rationalize it with wrist turn (I think Yoda has also referred to it as startup swivel)
So there are only 3 paths forward:
a) someone acknowledges my point.
b) someone tells me why I am wrong (please!!!)
c) I call enough enough and move on from TGM, being all the wiser for what I have learned the last month.
Thanks.
Thanks for the interest in my video.
Homer Kelley used the 1-L diagram primarily to provide a visual to the concepts listed.
The 1-L model only has similarities to the way that the power package structure in the human machine works within a real golf stroke. The power package has to take accumulators out of line inorder to move the clubhead according to the physics that God designed and Newton discovered. The power accumulators work simultaneously displacing the clubhead towards this goal. The 1-L model by its design does not have to contend with this issue, however the resulting effect between the two models is identical.
The flail that is described in 2-K has a swivel joint and is not merely a hinge pin added on the 1-L model. The swivel joint or accumulator no.3 is nessesary to move the clubhead onplane using the design of the human golfers power package structure.
Do not underestimate Homer Kelley's understanding of the golf stroke. If we followed your interpretation of 1-L in the post - angled hinging would take place at right angles to the inclined plane and vertical hinging would see the club parallel to the ground !!!! Surely after all those years Homer Kelley put into studying the golf stroke that you can at least credit him with a better conception than that!
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