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Old 09-28-2011, 07:54 AM
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Left Arm Flying Wedge
The entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the flat plane - The plane of the Left Wristcock motion (perpendicular motion only).

In what way is this an important aspect to consider?

2)
Right Arm Flying Wedge
The Right Arm and the Clubshaft are positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend - ALWAYS at Right Angles to the Left Arm Plane.

In what way is this an important aspect to keep in mind?

3)
Hitters/Swingers
A Swinger uses Longitudinal acceleration and the hitter uses radial acceleration.

Elaboration is appreciated.

4)
Ball position

With regards to the importance of ball position being correct with each hinge motion in order to get the results as expected, what are these ball positions we are talking about here?
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:07 PM
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:08 PM
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:09 PM
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:02 PM
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Left Arm Flying Wedge
The entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the flat plane - The plane of the Left Wristcock motion (perpendicular motion only).

In what way is this an important aspect to consider?


I care.

Air I didnt know that you wanted input or comment. I personally have always made them with some hesitation. I had no idea.

As for the quote above it deserves careful consideration or perhaps re consideration. Did Homer get it wrong? OMG! If so please alert the media. Although they are all over Einstein right now and probably too busy.

While I believe it stands as written for Impact , I have reservations about the "always". At Top I believe the Left Wrist should lie flat to the Plane Angle , what ever angle that may be. And also the plane of the Left Wrist cock should be On Plane , up the Plane Angle, whatever that may be. I think Homer would agree. Problem is its not consistent with your Homer quote above EXCEPT .............for the Plane Angle which Lynn calls the "theoretical" Left Shoulder Plane. Certainly not consistent with Homers preferred Turned Shoulder Plane to my mind. The Left Shoulder Plane is not a plane angle you want to entertain to my mind....although some are doing so.

So......Houston we have a problem. Anyone got a solution to this one?

Air, perhaps through your research you have an answer to this seemingly mutually exclusive set of intentions? Does the answer lie within the Divergent Vectors? I dont think so.

Please keep em coming , I read your posts, copy many of them to my files. You've expanded my understanding of things and I thank you.

Hey is Susan Peterson one of yours? What a total (Mark) Messier. If you dont know who he is google him with the Rangers.

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Old 09-29-2011, 10:41 PM
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Hmm?

A Left Arm Wedge can Only exist with a Flat Left Wrist. The purpose of the Left Arm Wedge is "Rhythm". And you cannot "Roll" with a Bent Left Wrist. I mean that you will not, cannot, "Roll" until the Left Wrist Becomes Flat.

But what's the problem?

If your Left Wrist is Cupped at the Top, or during the Downswing, or at Release, it will "Flatten" during the "Uncocking" motion. Alas, the Left Arm Wedge becomes established while "Uncocking". Then you'll "Roll" with a Flat Left Wrist. No big deal.

Let me give you some hints. "If" your Left Wrist is perfectly Flat at the Top of the Backstroke, then your Downstroke will start with the Left Hand aligned as though you will "Karate" Chop the Ball. But, if your Left Wrist is Fully Cupped at the Top of your Backstroke, then the Left Hand is Aligned so that the Palm of the Left Hand moves directly toward the Ball. So,,,,you can have varying degrees of Cupping. Simply vary the Amount of Karate Chop or Left Palm aiming. Either way, the Left Wrist will be "perfectly" Flat at some point in the Uncocking motion (depends on how much cupping you have) and you'll have a Flat Left Wrist to "Roll" into Impact.

The problem with most Golfers is that when they have a Cupped Left Wrist at the Top of their Backstroke the Downstroke proceeds with a Karate Chop Aligned Left Hand. That ain't ever going to work. Just remember that the Uncocking motion should not disturb the Alignment of the Levers: So, Flat Left Wrist = Karate Chop,,,Cupped Left Wrist = Left Palm toward the Ball.

I can't get into details because it's too time consuming, but suffice to say that this is the way one determines and varies the amount of Mass or Velocity one delivers into Impact. Flat Left Wrist at Release maximizes "Mass". Cupped Left Wrist at Release maximizes "Velocity".

If you want a full explanation of these concepts, a demonstration of their differences and practice drills then please watch my soon to be posted (Within a few months - maybe) video.
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4) Ball position

With regards to the importance of ball position being correct with each hinge motion in order to get the results as expected, what are these ball positions we are talking about here?
This requires an understanding of "The Geometry of the Circle" and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. It's a big part of my Video.
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:37 PM
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Right Arm Flying Wedge
The Right Arm and the Clubshaft are positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend - ALWAYS at Right Angles to the Left Arm Plane.

In what way is this an important aspect to keep in mind?


I think you mean "AWAYS at Right Angles to the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock , the Left Arm Flying Wedge." Again the "always" troubles me. For instance Homer by his own definition described the 10-2-D grip as having the left wrist cocking along the same line as the right wrist bending. So that being the case wouldnt the Left Arm Flying Wedge and the Right Forearm Flying Wedge , for this grip type , be similarly aligned , not at 90 degrees to each other? I think Homer would agree with this.

Im not saying Homer was wrong for the record , just a comment about his writing style. The statement in question stands , assuming a 10-2-B grip, which he always assumed. But... does the reader get this?


But to answer your question, for a 10-2-B grip types the 90 degree relationship between the flying wedges is central to understanding the direction of Lag Loading and the location of Thrust against the top or aft of the shaft in Release. You need to Load along one of these lines and unload same . Left Wrist or Right Elbow. Sequenced or non, Longitudinal or Radial. They are mutually exclusive...... you can not be both at the same time.

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Old 09-29-2011, 11:50 PM
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Hello OBLeft,

Houston here - actually it's Katy, but it is pretty close though...


Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
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While I believe it stands as written for Impact , I have reservations about the "always". At Top I believe the Left Wrist should lie flat to the Plane Angle , what ever angle that may be. And also the plane of the Left Wrist cock should be On Plane , up the Plane Angle, whatever that may be.

.....

So......Houston we have a problem. Anyone got a solution to this one?
I think the quote makes a sense 100%. But it should probably feel like the wrist cock is on plane.

The left fw will and should have its own plane throughout the stroke. but the shaft should be present in both planes all the way. That means that the wrist cock itself will be close to being on plane at the top and vertical to the plane at impact. The transition will be gradual but more sudden for dual horizontal hinge action than for angled hinge action.

A combination of forearm rotation and hinge action increases the gap between the RFW plane and the inclined plane towards impact. The overall rhythm keeps the sweet spot axis on both the inclined plane and the LFW plane throughout.

We already know that hinge action is an element in rhythm but I am quite convinced that forearm rotation also is an element. If you come down towards the ball with too little or too much rotation left for impact you will need to compensate...

A LFW that gradually rotates towards vertical is an element that can be sensed throghout the downstroke and therefore managed. And it will blend into the total motion without further manipulation as long as the rhythm is intact.

This also means that accumulator #2 isn't strictly released down plane but down the flying wedge plane. But the hands are moving down their path at the same time and with the right rhythm the sweet spot will be kept on plane even though acc #2 is released on a steeper plane angle than the inclined plane.

If the wrist cock really was on plane in the early down stroke - there really wouldn't be any mechanism for initiating the closure of the club face would there? And how and when should the RFW start to rotate towards it's vertical impact alignment if there weren't any divergence between the wrist cock plane and the inclined plane in the first place? How should the club face be closed in a controlled manner if there were no club face rotation initiated early on in the down stroke?

I read a scientific paper a while ago where it was concluded that a swing plane below the left shoulder helps to square the club face. I thought it was highly irrelevant at the time because the study was discussing swing plane with reference to the left shoulder plane. But in this context it actually makes sense.
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