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Old 05-07-2010, 08:42 PM
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Quick tempo with RFT leads to over the top slices?
Leading into this yes I do realize that slow, heavy, and deliberate is what I'm searching for but I have always struggled with that.....

That said up until I started using a RFT I would hit nice push draws all day long.

But as soon as I switched to a RFT with my quick tempo I immediately began getting over the top and since then it has gotten worse and worse.


I had tried everything to fix it and nothing work until today..........

My pre-shot routine was a nice rhythmic RFT to a nice smooth pivot of the hips and I made sure the pivot did not begin until I was done taking the club back with the RFT.

In short I made sure they did not over lap.

Lo and behold the slices were gone and I was no long over the top.


So have I diagnosed this correctly?

Was that the culprit?

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Old 05-07-2010, 09:39 PM
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I think I know what your saying but I don't think that it's tempo related. Tempo may be a factor but I don't think it the cause.

In a common golf stroke, shoulder turn takeaway with a simultaneous hip turn, your arms and hands keep going after your hips stop turning. That seems to break the glue between them.

With the Right Forearm Takeaway, using Hip Action on the Backstroke tends to glue the shoulders and hips together in a way that when you start down, it seems like a big body -hips and shoulders- around together rotation back to the ball. Over the top.

I think your answer rests with delaying the Hip Turn until your RFT pulls the around which will give you maximum separation between them for this type of backstroke. I don't mean so much that you'll have a greater X factor so much as I mean that mentally, the Hips and shoulders have kept their independence. The Hula Hula flexibility isn't a big physical deal as much as it's a independent but coordinated thing.

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Old 05-07-2010, 11:29 PM
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I think I know what your saying but I don't think that it's tempo related. Tempo may be a factor but I don't think it the cause.

In a common golf stroke, shoulder turn takeaway with a simultaneous hip turn, your arms and hands keep going after your hips stop turning. That seems to break the glue between them.

With the Right Forearm Takeaway, using Hip Action on the Backstroke tends to glue the shoulders and hips together in a way that when you start down, it seems like a big body -hips and shoulders- around together rotation back to the ball. Over the top.

I think your answer rests with delaying the Hip Turn until your RFT pulls the around which will give you maximum separation between them for this type of backstroke. I don't mean so much that you'll have a greater X factor so much as I mean that mentally, the Hips and shoulders have kept their independence. The Hula Hula flexibility isn't a big physical deal as much as it's a independent but coordinated thing.
What I meant is that was it possible that I was still trying to fan and pull backwards and upwards with the right forearm while the hips were trying to move forward.

Thus rather than having a nice smooth back swing, transition, then downswing I seemed to have a backswing and a downswing that blended together and overlapped with no transition and no tempo at all.

I do get what you are saying though and that also might be correct.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:46 PM
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What I meant is that was it possible that I was still trying to fan and pull backwards and upwards with the right forearm while the hips were trying to move forward.

Thus rather than having a nice smooth back swing, transition, then downswing I seemed to have a backswing and a downswing that blended together and overlapped with no transition and no tempo at all.

I do get what you are saying though and that also might be correct.
A lot of great Golfers do it that way including Ben Hogan. Maybe it isn't the procedure, but the execution of a single little component?

But anyway, glad to hear you're hitting it better.
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:36 AM
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A lot of great Golfers do it that way including Ben Hogan. Maybe it isn't the procedure, but the execution of a single little component?

But anyway, glad to hear you're hitting it better.
This is very true.

However Ben Hogan was made out of silly putty, bubble gum, and rubber bands.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:37 PM
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Grant, if you are still Drive Loading........try shortening your swing. Stop at Top instead of End and see what happens!!! End requires an Arc in the Hand Path to get the Hands back to a position at Top from which they can Drive, Straight Line. The Hitters "bounce" back from End to Top like David Toms or K.J. Also if you are Driving Loading , shortening it up can help out with the Over Acceleration problem that Drive Loaders have. It'll give you less time to run out of Right Arm basically and save top speed for the ball instead of making contact while in the process of decelerating. A Hitter really needs to Startdown Slowly and Shorten his swing until the point where he can be reaching top Speed at the ball instead of way before it.

Just a thought, not sure if you are Drag Loading or Drive. Think of it as saving some bent Right Arm for the ball, a later Release. Which can also be had from End as opposed to Top, by using the Right Shoulder to take the fully bent Right Arm down plane in Startdown. The Startdown Waggle, the Ben Hogan demonstration in Shells WWof Golf. A Right Shoulder Throw using the Turned Shoulder Plane, Drag Loading.........which would make you a Swinger or a Four Barrel Hitter.

Driving from End is problematic. Im with Daryl on the Pivot overlapping , Pivot Lag. Its a good thing generally speaking. However, if your Hands are positioned above a Turned Shoulder Plane then any move of the Pivot in Startdown will take the Hands over the Plane........which is why some folks drop the Hands to a lower Plane in Transition. But, Im wondering if your problem actually relates to the Right Elbow unbending from End since you've been experimenting with Hitting lately.

Remember also that Thrusting naturally produces Angled Hinging which will tend towards shots falling off to the right. Hitters need to close the face to correct this wobble or sliding off the face thing. Dont let the ball flight freak you out. Its a club FACE thing not a clubhead path thing. The ball leaves at Right Angles to the Face. A lot of guys who are experimenting with Hitting for the first time and working under the old incorrect ball flight rule of thumb (ball leaves according to clubpath and curves to the where the face points) get themselves in a mess when they start seeing fades and then bend their plane to the left, thinking its a path problem when it isnt. Angled Hinging is a product of Thrusting.

Im shooting in the dark here, sorry. But it did occur to me, given your earlier post on trying Hitting.

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