I had only seen a shorter clip of that interview. Very interesting, this is something I am dealing with in my swing too, I think. That is about where the similarity between my golf and Tigers ends. Im getting just a little arched and slightly laid off at top. Its small but its there. Its an unwanted horizontal motion in the left wrist which disturbs the plane of the Left Hand Wrist Cock. For me, it makes left wrist cocking a little harder and promotes a sweep release.
Arched at impact is a nice bit of insurance against throwaway. But the Left Wrist cock and uncock is vertical only motion, like hammering, no horizontal motion. Hogan clearly stated in Five Lessons, that the left wrist begins to supinate near impact. Hogan, actually had a little Horizontal motion himself but the other way around, getting a little cupped at Top, a wide open clubface for hook prevention purposes.
Tigers clubface would be more closed at Top if not for his extremely weak left hand grip. Yoda could fix all this for Tiger over a coffee in the Grill Room, Im thinking.
Do you think Hanks parallel planes or right wrist cock and uncock theory could be a contributing factor for Tiger?
Arched at impact is a nice bit of insurance against throwaway. But the Left Wrist cock and uncock is vertical only motion, like hammering, no horizontal motion. Hogan clearly stated in Five Lessons, that the left wrist begins to supinate near impact. Hogan, actually had a little Horizontal motion himself but the other way around, getting a little cupped at Top, a wide open clubface for hook prevention purposes.
Uncocking the Left Wrist is a Vertical or On-Plane Motion. It is an On-Plane Motion for Swingers using Standard Wrist Action. Hogans Supination Illustration is simpley the On-Plane Uncocking and Swiveling on an Elbow Plane with a 10-2-A Grip and Strong #3 Accumulator (to match the earlier Release of the Elbow Plane). This combination will produce a Bowed Left Wrist when the Clubshaft is Forward Leaning. 10-2-B will produce a Flat Left Wrist when the Clubshaft is Forward Leaning.
Warning:Without what Looks like a Cupped Left Wrist at the Top of the Swing, The Clubhead will not uncock and cause the Swivel Automatically. It is the Uncocking Motion of the Cupped Looking Left Wrist, that moves from Cupped Looking to Flat during the Uncocking to Swivel around the Sweetspot Plane. The Swivel is a continuation of the Uncocking Motion (Automatic). Without a Cupped Looking Left Wrist at the Top of the Swing, no Swivel after Uncocking begins. The More Cup, The More Swivel. 10-2-A will continue Uncocking/Swivel to an Arched Left Wrist, and 10-2-B will Uncock/Swivel to a Flat Left Wrist (with a Forward leaing Clubshaft). The On-Plane Uncocking Cupped Left Wrist moves to Flat,,,that is the Swivel,,Uncock, then Swivel. Automatically, Immediately, Assuredly. You can't Swivel unless you Start the On-Plane Uncocking Process first.
That's the easy part............The Hard part is having a LEVEL Left Wrist at Impact...because if it's uncocked beyond level, then the Clubface is Closed at Ball Separation. DO NOT start uncocking until the Hands reach the Line of Sight to the Ball when using a Turned Shoulder Plane...otherwise you'll hook, draw, pull the ball into the woods....
Your Left Wrist continues to Uncock after impact and the Swiveling motion causes the Left Palm to Roll to the Plane, which allows the Left Elbow to Bend and meld into a Finish Swivel.
Like Homer Said: "You can Swing in your sleep". It's all Automatic. I'd like to have a word with him about that.
Is he just restaing Hogan's advice re. bent/cupped left wrist at end...
Just look at Gary's face at 1:51...WOW...meet that face in matchplay and I'm already down by about 9 holes!!
Got to love Gary's passion!
Tiger needs to listen - that right forearm position is going to cause losses until he fixes it and Gary shows exactly what the problem is (at the 2:07 mark)
5 minutes with Lynn/Ted and he wins multiple events in a row again
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OK . . . Player has some good points IMO. Not sure about that whole supination deal . . . . If you had that down the line sequence of both of them and the face on matching you could really see the differences.
1. Some of that elbow away from the body is the plane Eldrick is on compared to Hogan. . . . so that's a piece of it . . . but if you look at Hogan he ain't "lifty" at all. He stays pretty much close to the elbow plane the whole time.
2. Tiger will shift the plane angle dynamically thru the ball (handle raises up) . . . Face vector and path vector get all jacked up. he can hit it anywhere as a result of the disruption in the #3 angle . . . I think anyhow.
3. If you look at the foot work no question that Hogan's footwork is MUCH better . . . the reason is his hip action. If you had the face on of these to moves you'd see that Hogan's hips are going forward LONGER than Eldrick. If the hips spin then the right foot is going to pop up. Tiger's iron swing is much more solid . . . more Hoganish. That driver swing has MUCHO speed and lots of moving parts for the amount of speed. If you watch where club exits Hogan's body I think it would probably be much different than Tiger. Not sure but would probably be much lower.
4. They both do that archy deal Hogan just does it later.
5. The thing to learn here . . . HOGAN HAD AN AMAZING AND EFFICIENT GOLF SWING FOR THE PLANE ANGLE HE WAS ON. Watch how well his hand path "matches up." Beautiful . . . footwork . . . beautiful. Not many swings stack up . . . even the best player to ever lace 'em up can match Mr. Hogan's move . . . not even close.
Overall I think Player's analysis is pretty dang good.
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Do you think that Tiger is aiming for Hogan plane through impact but his flat left wrist (WITH HIS CURRENT TIGER GRIP) from top/transition does not allow an on plane motion, late release of acc 2/3 and elbow plane?
I think that only someone like Yoda knows the answer. And he probably won't say even if you torture him. But he may point to the problem. I bet his answer would be 1-L; somewhere.
I couldn't say what his Driver Problem is. It's beyond me how a guy can hit a two iron from 235 yard to a tucked pin yet can't hit a fairway with the Driver. But, even his mid irons are off.
I think that Bucket makes a strong case about the #3 and off plane Right Forearm all over the place.
A contributing factor could be the ridiculously diffused sweetspot on that hellish driver, but I would think that he would have had that tweaked out of his handmade driver a long time ago but not out of the Production model. However, he could probably play with a Hockey Stick.
One thing is certain. Tiger ran into a problem that he hasn't solved yet.
That's the easy part............The Hard part is having a LEVEL Left Wrist at Impact...because if it's uncocked beyond level, then the Clubface is Closed at Ball Separation. DO NOT start uncocking until the Hands reach the Line of Sight to the Ball when using a Turned Shoulder Plane...otherwise you'll hook, draw, pull the ball into the woods....
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