[tongzilla]

May I ask where in the book your reference is for this? The best of my knowledge is in 2-G, the 'true rotation of the hands' in impact with no relation or reference to 'turned' to 'vertical'. Moreover, Swivel is not mentioned in 4-C. 4-C are specific Wrist positions - versus 'Swivel' which is more general and not limited to specificity in that context.



This isnt necessarily for you....but....can anyone show me where 'start up' swivel is in the book? Just curious. Not that its not in it - I just dont remember it, nor can I find it (yes - I have my book now!).

This is where I got the references. But my statement does require a bit of 'dot-joining'.

4-D-0:
"Normally, only Swingers with their Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) “Swivel” –- that is, actually rotate the Left Wrist –- through Release into its Vertical Position for Impact." [bold by tongzilla]

In conjunction with 10-18-A:
Standard Wrist Action
"With this procedure with Wrist is Turned and Cocked (FCT) during the Backstroke which requires that it be Rolled and Uncocked during the Release. Only where this procedure is used, do the Hands “Swivel” into Hinge Action Position." [bold by tongzilla]

Also definitions in 4-C-1/2, which I can't be bothered to type at the moment . But briefly, Turned means "left palm faces directly toward that Plane.

As per above, it this needs to be done twice -- once going back, and once before Impact. Which is why I've called them Startup and Release Swivels. Even though the actual phrase "Startup Swivel" isn't in the book (but Release Swivel is).

If the entire left forearm wedge is onplane (the entire left arm) - the left shoulder must be onplane...and on the backstroke, I feel it would need to be above plane (due to no axis tilt)....

Yes, I've made a blunder here -- more specifically, the Left Shoulder must be On Plane if the entire Left Arm Flying Wedge is On Plane also. But clearly the Left Shoulder is almost never On Plane at the Top. But how can one reconcile with the above?

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