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See my comments above in bold. I don't post much because it's not worth the effort and I don't have the time to post the full implication, elaboration and validation of the related issues involved- to fully support the concept. A forum really isn't the best place to do that. In summary, if you want the difference between a hand controlled pivot and pivot controlled hands- just read above.

Here's where we differ Mike:.
"My view is the exact opposite of the one that you posted above. "Let the hands move the pivot." "The Hands never get a free ride. They are not a passenger on the pivot train- they are the driver of the pivot train."

Again, my view is just the opposite:
The Hands have their goal, which creates the sliding of the hips (Hula Hula) on the downswing- which in turn keeps the right shoulder down and back. The hips don't Hula Hula to set up the delivery of the Hands- The Hands inititate and create the delivery and the hip(s) move out of the way (ideally) to allow that delivery to continue on ithe intended path

It is a very very somber and unfortunate day . . . I must pay you a sincere compliment (wish it could be backhanded). But this is damn good for a normal human being type person . . . much less a genetically challenged sheep stalker. One of the most concise and illuminating descriptions of how the hands dictate the pivot that I have read. Nice job Stinky.

. . . now back to the regularly scheduled programming . . .