[danny_shank]

This is pretty much what i was trying to say - the pivot drives the powerpackage into orbit around a stationary post/something/head/base of neck and release 4, then 2 then 3... the pivot doesn't stop moving but it slows during the accumulator releases and moves just enough to enable sutained lag pressure... but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure.... at least that is the way i have interpreted it.

Thanks for your comments guys. Helpful discussion for me!

I have to say golfbulldog i am really on the other end of the spectrum than you on this. Really don't get this comment 'but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure'

To let you know where i'm coming from: in my case (i'm a swinger also) my pivot certainly does a hell of a lot more than get things started. I feel like it works hard all the way through the ball, anything else and i'm taking the first plane to throw away city.

I swing to end and release pp #4 fairly deep into the downswing. The hands have to travel along way to get their with pp #4 intact, for me thats a lot of pivot work. Even when pp #4 is released theirs still lots of work going on. When i have problems with throwaway i'll often work on my pivot and maintaining the load in my feet from the start of the downswing right through impact. I mean when your dragging a wet mop, does it feel effortless to you?

Sure doesn't to me.