This is pretty much what i was trying to say - the pivot drives the powerpackage into orbit around a stationary post/something/head/base of neck and release 4, then 2 then 3... the pivot doesn't stop moving but it slows during the accumulator releases and moves just enough to enable sutained lag pressure... but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure.... at least that is the way i have interpreted it.
Thanks for your comments guys. Helpful discussion for me!
I have to say golfbulldog i am really on the other end of the spectrum than you on this. Really don't get this comment 'but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure'
To let you know where i'm coming from: in my case (i'm a swinger also) my pivot certainly does a hell of a lot more than get things started. I feel like it works hard all the way through the ball, anything else and i'm taking the first plane to throw away city.
I swing to end and release pp #4 fairly deep into the downswing. The hands have to travel along way to get their with pp #4 intact, for me thats a lot of pivot work. Even when pp #4 is released theirs still lots of work going on. When i have problems with throwaway i'll often work on my pivot and maintaining the load in my feet from the start of the downswing right through impact. I mean when your dragging a wet mop, does it feel effortless to you?
In Swinging ,the pivot is doing everything in terms of power.
It can start from the feet.
It can be just the left arm substituting for pivot- but only for very low power strokes.
In the full swing -pivot is all you got.....so crank that gyro.
I have to say golfbulldog i am really on the other end of the spectrum than you on this. Really don't get this comment 'but in a swinger the pivot is not driving the lag pressure'
To let you know where i'm coming from: in my case (i'm a swinger also) my pivot certainly does a hell of a lot more than get things started. I feel like it works hard all the way through the ball, anything else and i'm taking the first plane to throw away city.
I swing to end and release pp #4 fairly deep into the downswing. The hands have to travel along way to get their with pp #4 intact, for me thats a lot of pivot work. Even when pp #4 is released theirs still lots of work going on. When i have problems with throwaway i'll often work on my pivot and maintaining the load in my feet from the start of the downswing right through impact. I mean when your dragging a wet mop, does it feel effortless to you?
Sure doesn't to me.
Don't misunderstand me , Danny - when you drive ( active ) the power package with your pivot deep into downswing ... i think we both agree that this is alot of work done by pivot power.... but once acc 4 is released and the power package is flung into orbit ... is the movement of the pivot continuing to drive the power package OR is the continuing movement of the pivot merely sustaining the lag pressure?
I am not saying that the pivot quits movement after acc 4 release... merely that the main stage rocket has done its job and the pivot is just keeping up and not accelerating the power package anymore....
Maybe this is just a feel... but it seems to work and produce good results. Remember that the pivot does slow down during the downswing through impact... it may feel like it is doing work but then the mop is extended from your body and not tucked in close as it is at the top of the downswing.
I am not advocating quitting but once accumulator 4 is no longer across your chest.... can the pivot drive the power package as effectively???
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Sam Snead's hips slow down considerably from relase swivel onwards and the power package zips agross his chest and the "arms are flung from the sockets" ( paraphrase of his words often repeated by Ben Doyle apparently).
Sounds to me like they have been driven into orbit by the pivot active component... but the pivot contiues to move - not to drive but to sustain pp3 pressure.
NB. Lets be clear - i am not saying this is the gospel - this is the "seems as if" that i am currently playing with, it does not mean throwawa...just release... i started the thread to discuss the topic - not top try to convince people. But in the manner of an debate - i have to set out the topic for discussion . Thanks for your comment and enjoy Sam!
golfbulldog i understand where your coming from and agree with what you say is going on. However my FEEL is obviously very different to yours. If i think about the pivot slowing down i'll quit and have throw away.
When i practice hitting balls left handed i concentrate on throwing the left arm off the chest. I know as you say for this to happen there must be some slow down of the pivot, but to me it still feels like theres so much work going on there. The pivot certainly doesn't give up the ghost after accumulator #4 is released. For me trying to slow down the pivot is a terrible swing thought, far better to think about throwing a heavy left arm at the ball and let your body respond naturally.
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