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My post was to say that the club will automatically achieve the above postion with proper alignments and physics. No need to think " I'm going to use horizontal hinging, so I need to make the clubface point along the plane line at some point." Rather think, FLW held in condition vertical to related basic plane and orbiting arms/ and or torso. Absolutely no concern for "rate" of closesure for clubface alignment. With proper hinging, varying closure rate will only effect the distance the ball travels (no matter what the speed, clubface will still be in the same position at impact and separation with proper hinging).

I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt that a lot of pros might execute swivels through impact ( and they can "time" the action really well, or they hit a bad shot). And then you have golfers who have always executed swivels through impact, with inconsistent results. And then they might come to a "half truth" realization to "take the hands out of the swing and use body rotation" - see Nick Faldo.

With proper hinge action, toe closure "is what it is", very precise and exact, no degrees of (just rides the installed hinge). To be picky, I don't know about labeling "it isn't that much." Because there certainly is closure. But certainly less than if one executes a swivel through impact (which is what I think your correct point is).

I'm with you on all of this. But as you say the FIRST thing is the proper UNDERSTANDING. Most of the pros have no clue from a conceptual standpoint about Hinging. Their instincts are amazing for sure. But if you have a chance to look at those Swingvisions and any that are out there. Typically the clubface is pretty "stable" through the ball. There is some closing but there is not a great deal of closing.

I'd say if you compared the clubface motion of the average golfer (and even more with a golf that has throwaway), you'd probably see a great deal of "wobble" in the clubface that you wouldn't see in a pro's motion.

Check out those swingvisions I posted. I'd like to hear your description of what is going on and what you are seeing. I'm not trying to be a pain'n'da'azz just trying to figure this stuff out. Many people say that Jim Furyck is a Vertical Hinge guy . . . I'm not so sure that we can say that definitively. I'll try to find a swingvision for him too.