LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - 4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS Thread: 4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS View Single Post #32 04-26-2008, 05:54 AM golfbulldog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 647 I think that you get the idea... I am not TGM pure enough to say whether every exact word is correct....but if you see that the right forearm/elbow has to differ to provide mechanical advantage/support for the left arm pull versus the right triceps push.... and then everything else is SECONDARY to that loading action alignment....then you get the key difference...IMO. You can not push something that is behind you.... but you can pull something that is behind you.... so swingers can go to "end"....but hitters should not unless they want to add compensation....Read the thread where Yoda describes the patterns being used by David Toms and KJ Choi....it is very incisive and shows that they go to END but then rearrange their actions on the downswing for a hitters pattern...very wise words... So the hitting action (IMO) is experienced with a shorter backstroke /less wrist cock/shaft more vertical at TOP (this is the re-arrangement that Toms and Choi achieve in early downswing). The one thing I did not get in your description was the bit about "resisting carry back"....but do not get hung up on the words...you really have to feel the forces in their respective manners and then your body will understand. The hitter backsrtoke has no conscious 'turn to the plane' ...it keeps the clubface more "looking at the ball"...so the blade of clubface stays perpendicular to the inclined plane for longer than a swinger (a bit like the old square to square pattern of the '70s).... in fact most modern teachers probably teach this takeaway...in what they believe is a swingers overall pattern.... but the TGM influenced swinger turns the clubface to the plane using radius and ulnar action....early swivel action that is reversed in their sequenced release on the downswing (think of peoples descriptions of Hogan and his fanning the clubface 'open' (actually turning it to the plane...like Tiger trys/tried to do) and then Hogan kept the clubface turned against the plane for a very long time (probably for most of his shots...ignore the Ballard teaching ) and whilst the clubface is turned to plane on the downswing and you are PULLING...then pp3 remains quarter turned as it was at loading action....so pp3 gives info about lag and clubface...see the video in gallery about "pp3 where are you"...see the pressure point advice in "Modern Fundamentals" and the Hogan video in the gallery about grip and pressure point through impact...i'm sure that you have seen it before but watch it again now that you have read this... ..... the hitter has a slow and simultanteous cock and turn of the left arm on back and downswiing...no independent radius and ulnar action Homer really wanted the feel of the downstroke to have a similar feel to that to that of the backstroke....not just in programming feel of release but also loading action and release...."snap with snap" etc...for snap loading and snap release....can't remember the reference in the book for this bit. Hope this helps and not confuse you! Last edited by golfbulldog : 04-26-2008 at 05:59 AM. golfbulldog View Public Profile Send a private message to golfbulldog Find all posts by golfbulldog