i have read the book. i have taken lessns from mark. i have been to his school. i have seen all the t.t. vids. i have the lesson dvd that you sent me , and i appreciate the kindness. now, i would like to hear what bagger has to say about the right arm swing.
Geeez Joe....with that much background....I would think we should be getting some insight from you? I would rather listen to someone with first hand knowledge.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-26-2008 at 07:33 AM.
Geeez Joe....with that much background....I would think we should be getting some insight from you? I would rather listen to someone with first hand knowledge.
To my mind, there are Three Stages to Mastery of any subject. These are encapsulated in the following quote:
"Reading makes a learned man.
Conversation makes a ready man.
Writing makes a precise man."
-- Sir Francis Bacon
To my mind, Joe Curtis is referring to Bacon's first phase of mastery, that is, getting a grasp of the basic facts. If you want to 'play marbles', you've got to get some marbles to shoot! However, that phase of the journey soon ends . . .
To really 'hammer down' the basics, you must interact with others. It's not enough just to have a bag of marbles, you must kneel down, draw the circle and play the game! This jousting of ideas back and forth yields its own fruit -- new insights and a deeper appreciation of the fundamental issues -- but still permits a certain laxity of expression ('wiggle room'). In other words, you can be a little looser 'just talking' than when you know you will be held accountable. Finally, though, comes the day when all preparatory efforts end and your solo challenge of the summit begins . . .
You enter this rarified atmosphere when you take pen in hand and crystalize your thoughts by writing. Here, in the crucible of solitude, you become The Master, a true champion. Here, there can be no substitute for concentrated thought. Here, there is no reprieve from ill-conceived ideas: They have been commited to paper and are there for all to see, measure and judge.
These Forums foster this three-stage discipline and thus provide a true path to individual mastery. The textual nature of our medium demands that we write to 'speak', so posting serves both as 'conversation' and 'crystalized thought'. I invite and encourage members to participate according to their own levels of understanding. In so doing, you will 'connect the dots' of your own fragmented ideas and one day join those who have sought and won the 'pearl of great price' . . .
This is as precise as it gets on the subject. Mark Evershed and Tom Tomasello taught/teach the same motion for swinging with the right arm. Now Tommy might have taught two different variations per 10-20. 10-20-B with only the right forearm and 10-20-D with both forearms per 7-3 and 6-B-2-0. But the right elbow and forearm have to work the same way for both procedures to be generating longitudinal acceleration (Swinging). It's a throw from the top with the right forearm. As Tommy said, it's one smooth motion. No hit!!! It's a free wheeling action as Tommy said in his 1987 video giving instruction by himself with just a video camera. Not be confused with other recordings.
When you get this action down....you'll discover the right elbow wants to start unfolding on it's own at startdown. You're just triggering it's natural movement with the muscles of the right forearm. That's the revelation. It's Magic!!! Sorry I can't find a light bulb icon!!!
As Tommy said, "Sorry for the simplicity".
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-26-2008 at 05:27 PM.
i have read the book. i have taken lessns from mark. i have been to his school. i have seen all the t.t. vids. i have the lesson dvd that you sent me , and i appreciate the kindness. now, i would like to hear what bagger has to say about the right arm swing.
I'd like to continue Joe but if you look back on my first few posts, you can see where the term "ad nauseum" comes into play.
Last time I checked, this was the Lynn Blake Golf site but when it comes to the right arm swing, we must be violating a patent.
There is so much more to explore and understand but...
I'm done for now.
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
I'd like to continue Joe but if you look back on my first few posts, you can see where the term "ad nauseum" comes into play.
Last time I checked, this was the Lynn Blake Golf site but when it comes to the right arm swing, we must be violating a patent.
There is so much more to explore and understand but...
I'm done for now.
i am sorry too. i thought it was going to be an interesting thread. can you not delete responses? if so, do so, and continue. would like to hear what you have to say. i have always enjoyed your politeness and consideration of others on this site. keep up the good work.
i am sorry too. i thought it was going to be an interesting thread. can you not delete responses? if so, do so, and continue. would like to hear what you have to say. i have always enjoyed your politeness and consideration of others on this site. keep up the good work.
Thanks again Joe - Yoda is also encouraging me to continue so I'll work up another post or two this week.
I've been exercising restraint on deleting posts, but since DG is not exercising restraint and not contributing anything new to our knowledge base, I may have to start.
I hope I don't have to.
There is no win/lose here. Tom was a wonderful teacher and contributed a great deal to the game of golf. His material has been very well covered here and I'm just taking a slightly different approach. That is, I'm not approaching this from a method perspective. Some need a method and I'm fine with that, but not everyone fits a particular mold.
Next up we'll investigate the settle differences between left arm and right arm swinging beyond the right elbow center and right arm longitudinal pulling. What is the same and what is different?
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
I believe Chuck Evans said that he spent time with TT. Chuck stated that TT's method was a "hit" with a horizontal hinge.
This has been debated in the past without resolution.
I've been staying clear of this and have been trying to just read and learn. I went back and watched and listened to all the TT videos I have and the phone conversion between TT and Homer so I don't mis anything. TT never talks about a RAS or HIT- at least not what the punch TT talks about. DG changed from yrs of calling it a RAS to the 'magic of the Right Forearm.' But 7-3 is more than a TT concept- the magic is multi-stroked. TT never taught left side pull- was suspious of a big hip slide- apprehensive of its pivot role. It seemed very logical to smack the ball with the right arm- the right side of the body and still not have a Hit Punch stroke. But this is not a RAS, nor is dropping the club on plane before cranking the right shoulder trust and letting power acc # 4 benefit from the hip turn pivot gear.
So bagger- is the RAS (not TT's stroke) just a baseball kinda of throw of the clubhead on plane to the ball? 'ouch'
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