LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Hogan - closing clubface Thread: Hogan - closing clubface View Single Post #58 06-18-2008, 11:36 AM Dariusz J. Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 60 Originally Posted by Jeff Dariusz You wrote-: "angle hinging (that means keeping the clubface square to the arc) brings more repeatability and consistency because it may eliminate (or better said, may limit) the timing issues and subdue the clubhead motion to the pivot much better." First of all, angled hinging only keeps the clubface square to the clubhead arc after impact, and not pre-impact (during the release swivel phase of the swing). Secondly, from a swinger's perspective, horizontal hinging can be perceived to be the more natural hinging action, while angled hinging requires an additional deliberate effort (to keep the clubface square to the inclined plane and clubhead arc) during the followthrough. Therefore, I could imagine a person rationally arguing that a horizontal hinging action will be a more consistent/reliable hinging action for a swinger (while angled hinging is more natural for a hitter). You also wrote-: "I am surprised you thought that square-to-the arc means a square to the target line position at impact." I didn't make that mistake! See my post to Mike above. Finally, although I enjoy "digging dirt" in the library, I also go to my local golf practice facility 2-3x per week for 3-4 hour sessions of "digging in the dirt" Hogan-style. Jeff. That's great to hear that you practice, Jeff ! next time try Tomasello's concept and swing with a dominant right arm throwing out and down and report your feelings. I am anxious to hear your OBJECTIVE opinion after. OK, I am not familiar with TGM language that much and if angled hinging means a square-to-the-arc clubface ONLY after impact, it's not the same as the concept of having the clubface square during the whole impact zone (i.e. pre-impact part as well). However, I have a feeling (please correct me if I am wrong) that a person who tends to use angled hinging post-impact, must square the clubhead earlier before impact as well. Common sense tells us so. Ah, one more thing - for a slight moment in time, do not think in swingers/hitters category and admit what scenario minimizes timing issues more. BTW, why do you think that all clubs have so strong offset clubfaces ? Remember that Hogan's clubs not only were with zero offset but also bent open a few degrees. Consider the same diagramme without offset factor and you'll see the difference. Moreover, in a perfect scenario of a rotary swing motion in-to-in, the divot will be slightly curving left, showing exactly the way the swing arc is going, not because the clubhead is already closed or in a process of closing, but just because it remains square-to-the-arc. Cheers __________________ Dariusz Dariusz J. View Public Profile Send a private message to Dariusz J. Find all posts by Dariusz J.