[6bmike]

Sorry to ask but this is a new one for me...vertical wall plane...is this located at low point and what is its location relative to the swing plane...does Homer speak of this plane in his book.

No Im just talking about a reference plane in relationship to the left and right hand. There are floors, walls and pitched incline roofs. I am NOT talking about Hinge Action to its corresponding planes. In my simple description of a left armm swing i just wanted Dale to see what the back of the Left hand does. Saying it was vertical to a floor I thought was harder to see than the back hand motion of banging it against a wall. The wall can be anywhere outside the ball because it isn't real. A Left arm Swinger hits the wall with a flat back hand (makes it square at impact) with a pivot; whereas a right arm swinger would hit this same wall with their right palm like a big hard slap.