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OB

"You probably haven't been following the pivot center thread - in terms of my personal views."

Its really hard to follow of your posts. I can hang in there for most. Especially when they illicit interesting comments from others which is your talent to my mind. No offence intended. I like your participation here. TGM needs it, indeed requires it, will thrive because of it.

"I don't believe in the idea of a pivot center or a pivot axis."

Have you ever broken 90?

"I simply believe that one needs a small degree of rightwards spinal tilt at address and an appropriate amount of seconday axis tilt at impact."

"Small degree" ok , you qualify your past assertions. A comparatively large degree is a common procedure for long drive guys but not as frequent a procedure for most tournament players, unless they are trying to launch it higher than usual. Why not center up your head and then axis tilt with your hips, like Homer recommends? Any reason?

"For short-mid irons, I like Yoda's approach where one places one head in the center at address and acquires a small degree of rightwards spinal tilt by shifting the pelvis slightly left-laterally. That should produce a small degree of positive O factor at address -which RB demonstrates in his video."

Ya I like it too. So did Hogan. Yoda by the way does this on most shots. On fuller shots he may not have pre set his hips as much but his head is CENTERED. I didnt hang in for the whole RB clip. I only saw RB creating a positive O factor with his hips by taking his head BACK at address. Which in itself is debatable , anyone can keep their hips level to the ground and move their head back.........zero "O Factor". This is a reverse form of Hula Hula flexibility im describing here. If you know what i mean.

"Because one is hitting a short iron, one doesn't need much secondary axis tilt at impact. HK stated that one should place one's head in the position it will need to be in at impact. Because there will be little need for much secondary axis tilt when hitting a short iron, a centralised head position works very well and complies with HK's recommendation."

You seem to keep implying that secondary axis tilt assumes the head to move back of center. Re read Hula Hula. Not your thread but the book, and take into consideration "axis tilt" as defined in the glossary. I interpret it to mean that with a centered steady head, t he hips shift to tilt the shoulders, which promotes the on plane move of the right shoulder. This is the whole idea behind axis tilt, to keep the head AND LOW POINT in position while tilting the shoulders. If they go back then why do it in the first place? Why move low point around unless you have a very good reason and are skilled enough to pull it off and have ingrained it as a procedure.......long ballers for instance.

I could go on but .................if you dont believe in pivot axis then how do you play this game? How do you manage your low point, make constant clean contact? Or maybe you just debate its theory as sport?

You are in the company of experts here, myself not included. Why debate their observations gained over a life time of watching and learning from the games best? No amount of intellect could accurately suppose the feel of the #3 pressure point in the perfectly struck shot. Like accurately describing the taste of an orange in words. Impossible.

Learning by doing has its place in golf, albeit not the only place. But.


OB