LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Pivot center Thread: Pivot center View Single Post #322 12-31-2008, 08:13 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 Originally Posted by Jeff OB Left - you are presuming that the low point must always be opposite the left shoulder. That may apply most of the time, but not necessarily all of the time. I don't think that it applies to Jamie's driver swing. It is possible to get the hands ahead of the left shoulder at impact with forward shaft lean - which means that the clubhead is on a descending path and not an ascending path. In Jamie's photo, the central end of the clubshaft near the hands has forward shaft lean at impact - even though the hands are ahead of the left shoulder. Note the bend in his left elbow at impact - which makes this possible. Jeff. So to itemize you: - dont think this photo is showing the real facts, that the shaft bend isnt real. A video artifact. But the handle end bend is real and revealing some true shaft lean. This is not an artifact. Interesting please explain. - dont think that low point is necessarily opposite the left shoulder. That it can be manipulated. -dont think this fellow pictured here is hitting up. These are your opinions and you are entitled to them. But I disagree. I tend to see things differently. But unlike you I can be swayed as these are only opinions or perceptions of mine and I am open to anything that improves my understanding of the games methods. Why? Because I want to improve my game. That is why I am here. Why are you here? To what end? I currently believe that: -that the high speed photos are accurate in their depiction of shaft bend. -that while it is possible to manipulate your swing so that you bottom out outside the left shoulder, low point is ALWAYS opposite your left shoulder. That is to say that a straight left arm and club, vertical to the ground and opposite its attachment to the body is as low as that sucker is ABLE to get. Like the six o'clock position on a clock, it is as low as is POSSIBLE. Sure you could come in with a shortened radius and then bottom out later but why? You would never get all of the "down" that is possible as in "down, out and forward". Three dimensional impact. Or is that less important? -i think that given his success he must be hitting up like most of those guys. That is how they reduce the spin and increase the launch angle. You have a curios web of beliefs and non beliefs that seems constructed as a defense of your previously proposed and still hotly defended hypothesis. All of it making for a huge construct of what? Your opinion. Which you are entitled to. But: Caveat emptor. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/assets/...attach/png.gif Attached Thumbnails: O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left