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Bucket, Im struggling with this one a little. The vertical vs inclined plane thing seems great, please elaborate.

Does this relate to CF throwing the hands to a position that is OUT irrespective of the inclined plane? Cool. Is this what you mean? The science behind the need for axis tilt, the on plane right shoulder and therefore the hands all from a lateral hip slide action?

You're deep dude.

"I gots to know". (Dirty Harry)

OB

OK . . . . stick your arms out from your shoulders parallel to the ground . . . .

Now make your hands move parallel to the ground in a cicle by turning like you were a helicopter. . . . your spine is ONLY required to twist to keep them on that horizontal plane . . .

Now do the same thing only add waist bend to get your helicopter dealie moving on an inclined plane . . . your objective to keep your hands and arms moving in the same inclined plane . . . to do this notice what your hips and spine have to do . . . . there is a lot of stuff going on below your shoulders to keep your hands moving in that orbit without disrupting it . . . and alot of it is hips sliding and spine flexing and extending . . . . on the way back and through.