[12 piece bucket]

I don't mean to be niggling about this.... but come on "dude" did you even visit the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality ? Its a legitimate term even in today's dumbed down politically correct world. Either the things Homer claims are open for question or they are not. Nobody is "pissing" on the rug Lynn has graciously given Jeff purportedly to explore these matters.

As for your question... I would have to think about that. Dead or alive? One thing is for certain though... arrogance is one trait that eliminates them from my consideration. Teachers might help (might hurt too) but ultimately I believe what Gurdjeiff said: A man can only learn by his own efforts.

Looked at the link . . . a major reason for that was a result of the reason is god philosophy which set the ground work for it all to come to fruition . . . . determinism. Much has happened and is happening in the name of "science" that is destroying the foundations of society today. You say religion has caused problems . . . . "science" is just as guilty.

let's say dead and alive . . . . you figure out where to put Mclean in that scheme?