[slicer mcgolf]

I have always learned and taught a hands controlled pivot. The first person to talk to me on this gave me 2 examples: a pivot will not bring the hands to the top of the backswing but the hands moving to the top will create a pivot (maybe not a great one)

It all comes down to the player and if the player has uneducated hands. I find that the hands can get started on a good path if the pivot starts the backswing, but I feel that once the hands start to work properly, they should be able to control the pivot and everything else in the swing.

From my playing experience, if my pivot controls the arms and hands, I can flush it, but flight varies. If my hands control it and then work towards an aiming point, then I can knock down a flag or 2. This is my feel as a player and may not always link with my ideals as an instructor.