[Daryl]

Daryl, thanks for this.

I must say that as an old frozen right elbow, shoulder turn takeaway guy, that I am quite fond of my bending right elbow and new found tracing ability. I value your learned opinion, truly , and will do some thinking on it, some experimentation.

To me pickup implies elbow bend. If Homer didnt really mean elbow bend when he said it, then his writing is even more obtuse than I suspected. Not that this would surprise me or anything, but man things are cryptic enough, already.

If I understand you correctly, with EA and a turning back to plane right shoulder it is possible, indeed preferable to maintain the degree of bend in the right elbow as established at fix. I can see how this would all work but the problem I have with this is that it would imply that the left arm would never come across the chest. If it did then to my thinking the right side of the triangle would shorten via elbow bending, no? Where's your #4 angle? How do you cock your left wrist, if not by right elbow bending? Active wrist cocking? Are you sure this isnt pivot to hands?

I will give it some thought though.

Why would the left arm not come accross the chest? It will seriously cross the chest and more. Extensor action will pull the left arm tight to the chest! Remember he said that on its own, the left arm can only get to about 45 degrees to the chest? Extensor action sucks the left arm to the chest. Extensor Action pulls the Left Arm Tightly Against the Chest and holds it there......

OB.

I understand your confusion. The Right Elbow Bend at Impact Fix needs to stay FIXED at that degree of bend. Magic of the Right forearm is allowed to bend another inch or so to cock the left wrist. Then, a true (not false) extensor action take-away will control your shoulder location at the top of the swing for it to properly support the #3 pressure point during the downswing sequence.

With steep Swing Planes, Extensor action with a fixed right elbow bend will cause your right shoulder to raise as you take-away your hands on that same steep plane because the final destination of the right shoulder depends on how much front or side or back deltoid muscle is used in extensor action. If you bend your right elbow on the backswing to raise your arms then your right shoulder is swingin in the breese. You won't be able to dictate where the shoulder should be or the elbow.

When singing on Flatter Swing Planes, Extensor Action with a fixed Right elbow bend will cause your Right Shoulder to be flatter as you take-away your hands on that shallower plane.

Please consider this. Cross your arms across your chest and bend forward at the hips. Turn your shoulders but allow your knees to bend and your hips to turn and slant. YOUR SHOULDERS will turn on a Rotated Shoulder Plane. Now experiment…lock one knee or the other, lock both, allow them to wiggle your butt or push it back and forth, side to side,,whatever, until you find a pivot like motion that will turn those shoulders on a flatter plane during the backswing (if you want them on a flatter plane)and drive your right shoulder to the plane line on your downswing.

Homer Kelley is saying that the Extensor Action Take-away, and backswing will put your right shoulder and elbow moving on the plane you selected at IMPACT FIX (fixing your right elbow to match your desired swing plane when using the left arm checkrein) so extensor action will match your right shoulder turn to your swing plane, but Homer also says that your pivot will screw everything up if you don’t train it to move your right shoulder back to the plane during the backswing or on a path to the plane line at the Start-down.

He DID NOT say that the PIVOT can screw up the shoulder turn angle (Rotated, flat) on the backswing because it’s controlled by Extensor Action, but it will screw up how far back the shoulder will go to reach the swing Plane. . ….7-13, and the pivot can also screw up on the downswing by driving the shoulder off plane. 10-11-0-3, the Pivot must comply with the #3 pressure point aiming.

So, your posture at impact fix is important because it effects your right elbow location and your ability to have your right forearm on-plane. So don’t change your posture once you figure it out, then train your pivot to get your right shoulder back to the plane on the backswing and to drive your right shoulder down to the plane line at Start-down.

So, cross your arms and train your pivot.

The feet, knees and hips, especially hip slant, work slightly different for a steeper swing plane than a shallower swing plane.