LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - 11 TGM Ball Flights Thread: 11 TGM Ball Flights View Single Post #10 06-17-2009, 11:40 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 Thanks Daryl, Im a really going to learn some important stuff from this. This is a topic that is so critical to advanced golf and yet it hasnt seen the light of day in everyday golf instruction. Common thinking holds that the clubhead path determines the initial line of flight of the ball and the ball then curves back to where the face is pointing. Conversely, strangely as we get closer to the green most people subscribe to the opposite (and correct) set of principles and point the face of their sand wedge at the hole and then cut it or per Pelz consider the putters face angle not putter path as the critical determinant in the initial direction of their putts. Quote: Per 1-L-16 The Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line of Flight. Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line of Flight. If you've ever tried to curve a shot around an obstacle, you know that pointing the face at the hole normally sends the ball into the obstacle immediately. Homer, I think, is saying that the clubface determines the initial line of flight and the ball curves in accordance with the bent plane line or Delivery Line of the Clubhead. So point the face wide of the obstacle and bend the Plane Line away from the Face angle to produce the curve needed. Daryl, can we slowly flush this all out? Step by step? Quote: Per 7-2. ......"For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment." Forgetting True Swingers for a bit and dealing with Hitters and manipulated hands Swingers alignments, can you incorporate the quote above into a drawing similar to your 10-5-A , removing the flag maybe and showing how the ball would react for each procedure. Im thinking this will show the various flight characteristics in a more comparable manner. One ball going straight to the middle of the green, one falling to the right side and short etc. Would a pull, draw go longer and left? Thanks Ob Last edited by O.B.Left : 06-17-2009 at 11:57 PM. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left